Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

Villain is LPP, VPIP about 60%. I bet the river here because he could easily be holding worse than a pair of 7s, mediocre as they now are, and could have missed a draw and fold/payoff with J high. I don't like checking here because against this player I would probably have to call a bet getting 5/1 on having the best hand, though there is a chance it could get checked through. Would anyone play this differently against this type of player?


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

Check calling is alot better than betting, I think check folding is best.

You say your reason for betting is he might fold a busted draw or fold or call with a pair of jacks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] He's never folding a pair of jacks.

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

I meant he may call with something like J high, K high etc (though he obviously can't have J high here). Having reconsidered though I agree that checking and hoping for a free showdown was probably best here, and calling a bet if it comes. What about against a tight player?

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

Checking might also induce a bluff, although I don't think he bluffs enough to be good here. He's more likely to bluff K high than call with it though, which is why I like check calling rather than betting if you are going to put another bet in.

By tight do you mean someone who might fold a hand you beat? I don't see it. He's also not calling down with something you beat and probably not bluffing something you beat, so more reason to check fold against a tightie.

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

I'd much rather bet/fold then check/call or check/fold against these kinda donkeys...and btw, bad beat posts suck

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

I don't think A high or worse is calling down at 1/2 10 handed when he's faced agression every single street.

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

Check/fold the river. What happened on the previous streets is irrelevant - your hand is now worth less than a dried up dog turd. I don't know what he's calling you down with, but most of the time I expect it to be better than what you have right now.

Re: Two Pair gets killed HU on river
 

ive seen some crazy things in my day