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TylerK 07-22-2005 03:22 AM

A concept I don\'t understand
 
Party Poker (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero...?

For those of you who have memorized SSH, this is almost identical to one of the situations in the postflop play section. I know I am supposed to bet here, but I don't know why. And if I do bet and get called, what do I do for the rest of the hand?

shant 07-22-2005 04:48 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
First, fix the preflop action. Then, bet, and see what they do. Also, reads would help here. If they check to me on the turn again, I'm betting a lot of cards that fall.

TylerK 07-22-2005 04:52 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
It won't let me edit my post for some reason, here's the fixed hand.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero?

All the players in the hand have VP$IP &gt; 30, all pretty donkish.

TylerK 07-22-2005 04:54 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
I understand what TO do, but I'm having a problem grasping the WHY. That's really what I'm looking for is the concept behind the bet.

shant 07-22-2005 05:00 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
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I understand what TO do, but I'm having a problem grasping the WHY. That's really what I'm looking for is the concept behind the bet.

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Gotcha. In my original post I thought you were last to act, so ignore my turn card comments.

I think the simple explanation for why you bet here is you may have the best hand.

OnkelHotte 07-22-2005 05:25 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
the concept is pretty easy. with ur better midpair ur have the best hand on the flop very often. in your case vs 5 opponents this is indeed a tough spot. but against 3 or less opponents this is a clear bet!

jjacky 07-22-2005 05:39 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
which page is it?

07-22-2005 07:19 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
you'r against 5 player whith just medium poket pair and pot isn't big.

check/fold flop.

if you havn't best hand now, you havn't enogph outs to improve. even if you have best hand, your opnents have too many outs (together) to beat you on tern or river.

crunchy1 07-22-2005 07:42 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
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All the players in the hand have VP$IP &gt; 30, all pretty donkish.

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Against 5 players of this type I think this is a pretty easy check/fold. I don't think that a flop bet isn't horrible but, I definitely wouldn't categorize it as required. The big factor here is the number of opponents.

axioma 07-22-2005 08:16 AM

Re: A concept I don\'t understand
 
edited after i read the fixed PF action.


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