Early KK Play
 

I hope this doesn't come across as a bad beats post but I've been having some issues with KK in early levels at the $22 and I'd like to get some feedback on my play. I think I probably played hand one correctly and misplayed hand two but I'd appreciate any input.

***** Hand History for Game 2382070775 *****
15/30 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 14033765) - SUN JUL 17 23:40:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 13804 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: leroymag360 (835)
Seat 2: LJR5943 (785)
Seat 3: filman (785)
Seat 4: selind (770)
Seat 6: sixpercent (700)
Seat 7: twofst4u2 (1385)
Seat 8: CalREman (875)
Seat 9: niquewan (1090)
Seat 10: Salain (775)
leroymag360 posts small blind (10)
LJR5943 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to niquewan [ Ks, Kd ]
filman folds.
selind folds.
sixpercent calls (15)
twofst4u2 calls (15)
CalREman calls (15)
niquewan raises (100) to 100
Salain folds.
leroymag360 folds.
LJR5943 folds.
sixpercent folds.
twofst4u2 folds.
CalREman calls (85)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, 4d, 9h ]
CalREman bets (50)
niquewan raises (225) to 225
CalREman raises (725) to 775
CalREman is all-In.
niquewan calls (550)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ts ]
Creating Main Pot with $1805 with CalREman
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1805 |
Board: [ 7c 4d 9h Jd Ts ]
CalREman balance 1805, bet 875, collected 1805, net +930 [ 9c 4c ] [ two pairs, nines and fours -- Jd,9c,9h,4c,4d ]
niquewan balance 215, lost 875 [ Ks Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Ks,Kd,Jd,Ts,9h ]


***** Hand History for Game 2381617097 *****
15/30 TOURNEY TEXAS HOLD'EM GAME TABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 14031339) - SUN JUL 17 22:26:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 15004 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Quicktiger (2505)
Seat 2: tgillisgb (1160)
Seat 3: niquewan (770)
Seat 4: dabears12780 (785)
Seat 5: klutchin (800)
Seat 6: harpo1945 (735)
Seat 7: johnhiguera (610)
Seat 9: suzukimasato (635)
dabears12780 posts small blind (10)
klutchin posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to niquewan [ Kd, Ks ]
harpo1945 calls (15)
johnhiguera folds.
suzukimasato calls (15)
Quicktiger folds.
tgillisgb folds.
niquewan raises (70) to 70
dabears12780 folds.
klutchin folds.
harpo1945 calls (55)
suzukimasato calls (55)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 9d, 4d ]
harpo1945 checks.
suzukimasato bets (565)
suzukimasato is all-In.
niquewan raises (700) to 700
niquewan is all-In.
harpo1945 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Td ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3c ]
Creating Main Pot with $1365 with suzukimasato
Creating Side Pot 1 with $135 with niquewan
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1365 | Side Pot 1: 135
Board: [ 6c 9d 4d Td 3c ]
niquewan balance 135, bet 770, collected 135, lost -635 [ Kd Ks ] [ a pair of kings -- Kd,Ks,Td,9d,6c ]
suzukimasato balance 1365, bet 635, collected 1365, net +730 [ 5d 6d ] [ a flush, ten high -- Td,9d,6d,5d,4d ]

Re: Early KK Play
 

um...they're both fine. stuff happens.

Re: Early KK Play
 

You got unlucky in both, really.

Hand 1: in the $22s, 90% of the time you'll be up against a worse pocket pair (or someone really overplaying a top pair or something).

Hand 2: It's basically a coin flip after that flop. Oh well. 90% of the time you're ahead here, too.

Re: Early KK Play
 

1st hand fine.

2nd hand, there was $55 in the pot before you acted, plus your call of $15 and raise of $55 more (for the $70) putting $120 in the pot and only $55 for people to call, giving them greater than 2:1 odds.

I would have raised to $115-$150 making the pot total $170-$205, giving less than 2:1 pot odds and increasing my FE.

Beyond that, you got sucked out on, plain and simple.

Re: Early KK Play
 

These are indeed bad beat posts. How exactly do you think you can fold in either of these situations?

Re: Early KK Play
 

I was posting the get feedback on my preflop play and whether or not my raises were sufficient.

Re: Early KK Play
 

Push pre-flop and you won't get called by 94 and 56.

Problem solved.

Re: Early KK Play
 

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Push pre-flop and you won't get called by 94 and 56.

Problem solved.

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Are you really advocating pushing here or are you just joking?

I hope it's the latter...

Re: Early KK Play
 

OP seems to feel like there's a problem with 94 and 56 calling his big bets.

So push.

Re: Early KK Play
 

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Push pre-flop and you won't get called by 94 and 56.

Problem solved.

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Are you really advocating pushing here or are you just joking?

I hope it's the latter...

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Well, you won't lose to bad beats as often! (you also won't win much either, but at the $10's ...)