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nervous 07-17-2005 09:57 PM

I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
Villian is 29/10/1.75

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises...</font>


Is this standard? I'm really trying to vary up my play. Yesterday, I would have check/called this and check/folded river UI.

sy_or_bust 07-17-2005 10:17 PM

Re: I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
If you were BB, what better hands would you fold to this raise? Your line is better than calling down, but it's not necessarily better than check/call check/cold.

I like this a lot better when you have a good chance of being called by a worse hand, so you have a couple ways to win and still win an extra bet when you make the flush.

Jeffage 07-17-2005 10:21 PM

Re: I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
Online people will often call a checkraise here with K10 or other garbage. They will never lay down a pair. So if you checkraise the turn and miss the end, you might want to check call since King high doesn't pay off twice. Interesting spot and I like your reasoning though.

Jeff

MrEngenic 07-18-2005 07:47 AM

Re: I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
Isn't this the perfect spot to semibluff checkraise? You can have as many as 18 outs if you are behind.
If BB just calls the flop, would it be better to CR then?

kapw7 07-18-2005 07:59 AM

Re: I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
No semibluff is good enough if you don't have some fold equity (assuming that BB has at least a pair here).
Did you already have a plan of action for:
A. you get reraised and B. you get called on the turn. Will you bluff-bet again UI on the river?

xLukex 07-18-2005 09:58 AM

Re: I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
I think this is the best spot for this play. You have a little bit of fold equity, but mostly your hand is strong for the amount of outs you have.

I am not opposed to this at all!

MrEngenic 07-18-2005 10:28 AM

Re: I\'m trying to be trickier... (I suck)
 
Well, if raised it's an easy call and an easy fold unimproved on the river, right?
If called, well I would probably check/fold on the river since he has me beat and will not fold for one more bet.

For fold equity, wouldn't it be very hard to stay with a bigger A, TPWK or middle pair here?


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