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sfer 07-14-2005 01:45 PM

Give me a line
 
Party 20/40. First hand, I post in the CO.

Folded to me and I raise AA. Button, unknown but stats are 30/8/2.2 over a reliable sample size calls, blinds fold, HU for 5.5 SBs.

Flop is J77, suits unimportant. I bet, button raises, and you give me opinions.

baronzeus 07-14-2005 01:47 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
3bet

imported_CaseClosed326 07-14-2005 01:54 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
I would three bet here, be straight foward.

If you wanted to be tricky you could call and c/r the turn, and go fromt there. But I like the first option better.

jba 07-14-2005 01:55 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
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3bet

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yes 3bet flop

after that I would put in exactly 2 or 3 bets on turn and river.

W. Deranged 07-14-2005 01:56 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
Sfer,

I like a flop call and a turn check-raise. Here's why:

1. The board is fairly drawless (except for the gutshots).
2. Your opponent is pretty agressive (2.2).
3. Your opponent's most likely hand (a J) is one that is unlikely to let the turn get checked through.
3a. Your opponent's most likely hand is one that is likely to pay down the turn and the river if you check-raise.
4. Your hand has few outs against it.
5. The board is such that your opponent may think you're putting a play on (he likely won't give you credit for a 7 and may not consider overpairs seriously), which will increase the likelihood you get called or even played back at on the turn.

There are certainly cases where this line is too "stock" but I think this situation sets up well for it.

brettbrettr 07-14-2005 01:56 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
3-bet or lead -three-bet the turn. The problem is that if an ace or king comes on the turn he might go into call-down mode with a middle pair or even just fold. But he might raise again with AQ or KQ....

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baronzeus 07-14-2005 01:58 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
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3bet

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The only hands we are behind here are JJ, 77, and A7 that could cold call a raise with those stats. You are ahead of AJ, KJ, QJ, KK, QQ, so that's a lot of hands that are drawing to about 2 outs here.

call his bet, and check-raise the turn.

W. Deranged 07-14-2005 01:58 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
Then again, a turn K or Q might very well give villain "top" two pair which could pay off big if we wait.

I don't think an action killing card is much of a concern here. An A would be the most worrisome in that regard, but we have two tied up. As I said, a K may in fact be a good card as often as a bad one.

brettbrettr 07-14-2005 01:58 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
I don't like the c/r at all. If the button puts hero on a cold steal--which seems eminently reasonable--the c/r will convince him otherwise. Especially with the paired board.

Malcom Reynolds 07-14-2005 02:01 PM

Re: Give me a line
 
How about call, check-call, bet?


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