Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

I think playing drawing hands is my weakest point. I don't play them consistently, and really am never sure what is the best line to take. Here's a recent one. I'm going to post more as they come around. (sorry, the converter wasn't working)

PP $20 + $2

***** Hand History for Game 2351174130 *****

Seat 1: jcm4ccc (1400)
Seat 4: Veen_150 (775)
Seat 5: DUCKEMJC (1505)
Seat 6: darts02 (200)
Seat 8: diggerjohn (825)
Seat 9: POTILLA (1815)
Seat 10: BeatMyNutz1 (1480)

BeatMyNutz1 posts small blind (25)
jcm4ccc posts big blind (50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jcm4ccc [ Qh, Kh ]
Veen_150 folds.
DUCKEMJC folds.
darts02 folds.
diggerjohn raises (100) to 100
POTILLA calls (100)
BeatMyNutz1 calls (75)
jcm4ccc calls (50)

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6h, 2h, 8d ]
BeatMyNutz1 checks.
jcm4ccc bets (300)
diggerjohn folds.
POTILLA calls (300)
BeatMyNutz1 calls (300)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ]
BeatMyNutz1 checks.
jcm4ccc checks.
POTILLA checks.

** Dealing River ** : [ 2c ]
BeatMyNutz1 bets (400)
jcm4ccc folds.
POTILLA calls (400)

** Summary **

POTILLA balance 1015, lost 800 [ Ad Js ] [ two pairs, sixes and twos -- Ad,6h,6c,2h,2c ]
BeatMyNutz1 balance 2780, bet 800, collected 2100, net +1300 [ 8s 8c ] [ a full house, Eights full of sixes -- 8s,8c,8d,6h,6c ]

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

Yep, that would be my line too, no need to lead out here, someone will bet to protect their hand with so many in the pot, you can be sure.

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

I think you played the hand fine. The only thing I might would have done differently is went for a check-raise on the flop. With 2 overs and a flush draw, you're a slight favorite over any pair (smaller than QQ obviously).

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

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I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] So you'll take a cheap card if they give it, but if there is enough money in the middle to make a steal worthwhile, you'll put all your chips in. Is that the basic idea?

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

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I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] So you'll take a cheap card if they give it, but if there is enough money in the middle to make a steal worthwhile, you'll put all your chips in. Is that the basic idea?

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Yeah, that's the idea, and I was assuming a bet of at least half the pot size when I said to check-raise. If they lead out a min-bet or some crap like that, then I think calling is fine. I want the bet to be big enough that I can push over the top of it if I'm check-raising.

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

C/R all-in looks good to me. Only problem with that here (IMO) is that even though I have a monster draw, I'd rather take the pot down uncontested with this move. (I know, monster draw, but just as soon take a nice pot without crippling myself if I miss.) Any bet by the pre-flop raiser probably pot commits him, and he might feel like he has to put the rest of his chips in with a hand that dominates yours, thus leaving you with just a flush draw.

I'd actually feel better about the C/R all in if pre-flop raiser was deeper stacked. That said, I'd do it anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

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I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] So you'll take a cheap card if they give it, but if there is enough money in the middle to make a steal worthwhile, you'll put all your chips in. Is that the basic idea?

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Exactly. If they are giving me correct pot odds to see 1 card of my draw, then the pot isn't big enough for me to put my whole stack in.

Also usually a hand like a set often wants action and thus the bet is smaller. Whereas a hand like A8 I have more outs against and usually bets bigger to try to take it down.

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

9/47 cards to help, you had nowhere near the odds to bet or call 300 chips on the flop, you just layed down 25% of your stack

i bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot and see how they react then check-fold turn, draws kill

Re: Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.
 

There are three ways I like playing this hand.

1) Check-raise allin if it feels/looks right. For example if villain(s) can laydown with a decent probability.

2) Check call a smallish bet, for example if villain bets t100 (or less) into a t400 pot, with one caller, I might also just call. Over t100, I'm thinking check-raise allin. One of the problems with this line is that you're only going to win what's in the pot (or slightly more) if you improve your draw. Another problem is what will you do if a K hits on the turn. For that, I'm assuming you're check calling for value ??

3) Lead out, but I would lead out with a smaller bet. I like this decision the least here from the BB though.