KK facing check-re-raise
 

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I have no read on the vilain. I just got at this table and I don't have note on him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($108.4)
MP3 ($187.27)
CO ($69.1)
Hero ($105.2)
SB ($128.35)
BB ($221.45)
UTG(V) ($108.73)
UTG+1 ($101.5)
MP1 ($43.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG(V) calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, MP3 calls $4, CO calls $4.

Flop: ($31) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG(V) checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $5</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG(V) raises to $45</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero ...

What do you do?

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

Raise to $8-10 preflop and it's a lot easier to play.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

it looks like a set or AA.

JJ or QQ probably would have raised preflop.

TT or 99 wouldn't 3 bet the flop I don't think.

I think I fold.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

I looked at Pokertracker after( GameTime+ doesn't work on my computer), here are his stats.

37 VPIP,5.6 Preflop-raise, 3.5 agg.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

Fold.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

In the absence of any other information, this is a clear fold. Villain saw that the UTG+1 raised and you re-raised, and he was still willing to re-raise again into both you and UTG+1. Either he has a monster (this smells like a set) or he's incredibly bad.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

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Raise to $8-10 preflop and it's a lot easier to play.

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Yeah, because you don't see a flop

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

to be fair there were 4 limpers and going by 4bb+1 bb per limper, it would put it at $8.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

yeah...4xbb is a standard raise with no limpers....a raise to 8 or 10 would be fairly standard here...you don't want this to be a multiway pot that will be huge on the flop with 4 or 5 people in and you are left holding just one pair.

Re: KK facing check-re-raise
 

Standard raise my ass. You raise what will get called by 1 or 2 people. 6-8 is plenty. 10BB is overkill. Aces, anyone?

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you don't want this to be a multiway pot that will be huge on the flop with 4 or 5 people in and you are left holding just one pair.

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Obviously. You also don't want to take it down pf with a monster hand.