$100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

As you will see below I am shortstacked, really shortstacked. The second shortstack moves in. I have quite a good high hand. My initial gut feeling was to fold and hope that the second shortstack getting eliminated, but then the following thought process occurred: I know that the bigstack involved in the hand will call and that his hand will not be terribly great, I also think that the second shortstack likely has a mediocre hand. With that in mind, I know that there is a very good chance that if I do not call, the second shortstack will have a great chance of doubling up, thus guaranteeing me 7th place. I figure that since the difference between 6th and 7th place is only $50, that it is worth the gamble to triple up if the high hand stands up and have a shot at 3rd or 4th, which would guarantee at least $400 more than 7th place. I am a big new to non-SNG tournament, so I am curious if my rational was decent and how others might have played this hand. Thanks for the input.

PL Omaha Hi/Lo Level:9 Blinds (200/400)
Table Multi-Table(381497) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 4: hypnotist_ ( $18303 )
Seat 5: skipjack12 ( $9717 )
Seat 6: groovykelli ( $2327 )
Seat 9: HERO ( $1848 )
Seat 7: Mainman67 ( $7416 )
Seat 8: elise77 ( $6676 )
Seat 10: jim78910 ( $3713 )
Level:9
Blinds (200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kc Ah Ac Th ]
hypnotist_ raises [1100].
skipjack12 folds.
groovykelli is all-In [2327]
Mainman67 folds.
elise77 folds.
HERO is all-In [1648]
jim78910 folds.
hypnotist_ calls [1227].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 6s, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
hypnotist_ shows [ 2s, 8d, 4d, As ] three of a kind, eights.
groovykelli shows [ 2c, Js, Ks, 4c ] two pairs, kings and eights.
HERO shows [ Kc, Ah, Ac, Th ] two pairs, aces and eights.
hypnotist_ wins 958 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, eights.
hypnotist_ wins 5944 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, eights.
There was no qualifying low hand.
Player HERO finished in 7 place and received $300
Player groovykelli finished in 6 place and received $350

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

Heres the problem I find with your move, the game is omaha high low, you have a one way hand. Against two players you would need a dream flop to scoop them both, most of the time someone will probably make a low or you will get scooped when there is no low, so I dont like your all in here. If you had a 2 or 3 to go with your A/A then I could see it as a great move, but the lack of a low makes your hand an easy fold specially considering the other guy is about to go out, to make this move you would need a monster two way hand in my opinion.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

I thought you KNEW that the big stack didn't have a good hand? He did.... (and I'm not talking about him hitting trip 8's, his hand was a good one regardless)

Anyway, I would've gone all-in there as well.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

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Heres the problem I find with your move, the game is omaha high low, you have a one way hand. Against two players you would need a dream flop to scoop them both, most of the time someone will probably make a low or you will get scooped when there is no low, so I dont like your all in here. If you had a 2 or 3 to go with your A/A then I could see it as a great move, but the lack of a low makes your hand an easy fold specially considering the other guy is about to go out, to make this move you would need a monster two way hand in my opinion.

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You're an idiot, please don't offer him advice again thanks.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

My suspection was that the bigstack did not have a good high hand, based on the all-in hands that he was calling with on the previous dozen or so hands. He was usually playing high hands very slowly and playing low hands far faster. I knew that I only had a one-way hand, but being that I needed to triple up to have a decent chance of placing 5th or higher, I thought the gamble might be worth it, especially consider that I suspected both other hands heavily consisted of low cards.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

Ha!!! Does that mean that I played it correctly?

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

Naturally, I did not put the bigstack on such a good two-way hand.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

You are down to 4.5x the BB. You have Aces double suited. Easy call if you ask me.

Sure you would rather have AA23 double suited or even AAK3 ds, but you aren't in a position to wait.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

You're in a tournament, its 08, you get dealt two aces. I'm shoving preflop if I can. It's not a big favourite, but it's certain not a big dog, if anything you are slight underdog to some utter trash like 4567 which becomes amazing against you, but its more likely they have an ace each which makes your hand better and takes a couple of outs from their hands.

Shove your aces, you wont get many opportunities to shove with good hands. Give yourself the opportunity to win the tournament instead of just fade and blind away your chips.

Re: $100 PP O8B MTT Final Table Hand, Smart Play or Terrible Mistake?
 

You push every time in that situation.

The value you get from slipping from 7th to 6th does not come close to offsetting your increased chances of a higher placing you get from playing this hand.

--Greg