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LuckyDevil 06-24-2005 01:36 AM

QQ bet or check this river?
 
Simple question. Should i bet or check on this river?

MP2 is unknown and CO is 28/5/1.3.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, MP2 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero ????

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Valuebettingtheriver 06-24-2005 02:03 AM

Re: QQ bet or check this river?
 
I would check given that you have no reads on MP2, and he probably has a weak A in my opinion, or maybe he is planning on check raising the flush, putting you on a strong hand. in 2/4 I notice this especially that players love to set up a check raise on the river, particularly heads up.

DeuceKicker 06-24-2005 02:10 AM

Re: QQ bet or check this river?
 
I don't see much benefit to betting. Most likely he was calling along with either an ace, a flush draw, or something like middle pair. Two of these three beat you.

You'll miss a bet the few times calls the river with a weaker pair, but I don't think this offsets the times he checkraises with his flush or even a crazy rivered two pair.

aK13 06-24-2005 02:13 AM

Re: QQ bet or check this river?
 
Check. That was probably the worst card ever for you. I might even consider folding...

LuckyDevil 06-24-2005 07:04 PM

Re: QQ bet or check this river?
 
Thanks for the few replies.

The whole hand worked out like this.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, MP2 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP2 has Tc 7d (one pair, sevens).
Hero has Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
CO has 9s Qs (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.25 BB. </font>

mscags 06-24-2005 07:08 PM

Re: QQ bet or check this river?
 
Unless villian is a complete idiot I think checking behind and taking the free showdown is the best play most of the time.


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