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brimstone1 06-19-2005 04:47 AM

Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
These are all $22s, and if there is one, my table image is always tight.

1. ITM, ATo. BB is loose as hell.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) converter

Hero (t1475)
SB (t1760)
BB (t4765)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero...?



2. 6 left, BB, no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

SB (t965)
Hero (t555)
UTG (t1868)
MP (t3765)
CO (t485)
Button (t362)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t500</font>, Hero...?



3.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

SB (t1485)
Hero (t915)
UTG (t1590)
MP (t2785)
Button (t1225)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t525</font>, Hero...?



4. I JUST doubled up, blinds are going up in 2 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

Button (t1645)
Hero (t1697)

BB (t740)
UTG (t1130)
MP (t2788)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t375</font>, folds, Hero...?



5. Getting desperate in chips here.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

SB (t2290)
BB (t1780)
UTG (t1085)
Hero (t670)
Button (t2175)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero...?



6. KK, very early in the tourney.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t715)
MP2 (t645)
MP3 (t1270)
Hero (t630)
Button (t910)
SB (t940)
BB (t1150)
UTG (t560)
UTG+1 (t1180)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 all-in, fold, Hero...?

chisness 06-19-2005 04:55 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, evaluate
 
here's my take:

1. push -- let BB call and equal out your stack, this is a great opportunity
2. fold -- you still have over 4 BB and time to steal or find a hand
3. push -- your stack sucks, taking a coinflip (or maybe even against A5-) would be fine
4. fold -- i like 16 BB and find that raises are generally from good hands on party
5. push -- stack sucks and you'll even get called by lots of worse hands
6. instantly call -- and see anything from A4o to JTs

45suited 06-19-2005 04:58 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
1) push
2) fold
3) fold
4) fold
5) push
6) push

For me, #3 was the only close call. I would fold and OP later myself.

Slim Pickens 06-19-2005 05:00 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, evaluate
 
1) Hero minraises and then pushes when the flop is checked to him. Risky? Yeah, but I still think you've FE on the flop if BB calls, and if he pushes preflop you've probably induced a favorable bluff to call. If SB calls, same deal. If SB pushes, probably have to call. All of your chips are going in the pot in any case, but the minraise might be a way to get them in there with as many others and still maintain almost the same probability of winning the pot without a showdown.

2)fold
3)push (although it may be a leak in my game that I push these kinds of hands with mid PP's)
4)push
5)push
6)call and lose when one of his two kings completes the 4-flush on the board.

chisness 06-19-2005 05:01 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
how about a followup question -- what range do we like on all of these? i'll finish the rest later

1. push range: A2+, K6+, Q8+, J9+, 22+
2. call range:
3. push range:
4. push range: AQ?, AK, TT?, JJ+
5. push range:
6. call range: QQ+

Myst 06-19-2005 05:04 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
1. Push
2. Fold
3. Fold
4. Fold
5. Push
6. Push

3 is a clear fold.. Id rather steal than force a coinflip. I only take coinflips when I HAVE to.

45suited 06-19-2005 05:12 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
3 is a clear fold.. Id rather steal than force a coinflip. I only take coinflips when I HAVE to.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't think I'd get anyone agreeing with me on #3. I would much rather steal than force a coinflip as well. I dont think that the OP is desperate enough to have to do this.

chisness 06-19-2005 05:13 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
3 is significantly +EV as long as the button has even a decently loose range, which he probably does

with that said and the need to build up the stack, i still like the call

edit: if the guy raising were in earlier position, i'd agree with folding, but here i like it

squire 06-19-2005 05:16 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
1.push- great cards short handed, i am pushing here with A7+ and any pp
2.fold he prob has nothin but i wait to be 1st in the pot with that stack
3.fold i think at best your a coin flip, at worst dominated by higher pp
4.fold again i wait to be 1st in the pot here clear fold for me
5.push you cant wait for something better
6.call yes 1 in a 100 times he turns over AA but this is an instant call for me.
i only play the $11s though
holla

45suited 06-19-2005 05:18 AM

Re: Poosh/call/what? situations, what would you do?
 
Yeah, but the only thing is, button is in a spot where HE is not desperate, yet he is risking 43% of his stack to pick up 225 worth of blinds. Plus, the OP will still have &gt; 4 BB if he folds here. Haven't done the math on this one, but I think that he can still steal later himself, so I fold here.


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