Understanding the $10+1 players
 

First of all, the example:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t875)
UTG+2 (t770)
MP1 (t795)
MP2 (t830)
MP3 (t670)
CO (t945)
Hero (t760)
SB (t785)
BB (t800)
UTG (t770)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls t75, CO calls t75.

Flop: (t310) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t310</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t740 (All-In)</font>, CO folds, Hero ...

In my experience the CO could have anything from an OESD to trips. No matter what I decide here, I'm almost never very happy about my decision.

In your experience, is this a call or a fold, assuming you don't have any reads?

Edit: Yeah, I know I should have raised more PF.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

i think this is any easy call.

part of the reason the 11s are so easy is that people will call preflop raises with Q9s and then put their whole stack in on a Q high flop. sure, you'll get beat by an actual good hand once in a while, but more often than not you're doubling up here. then, at worst, it's smooth sailing to the bubble.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

Seems like a call. You've invested over half your stack and you may still be ahead.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

Its a call and I don't have to think twice about it. Given the way the hand went Villain probably has a queen, maybe even worse. This is why the $11s are so profitable. Furthermore even if he hit 2-pair you're getting about 7-2 on your call. You beat a hand like QJ about 1/4th of the time, so the only have a call is awful against here is trips. This isnt going to happen often up at the $11's to justify a fold.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

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You beat a hand like Q9 about 1/4th of the time

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? I think his KK does better than that.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

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You beat a hand like Q9 about 1/4th of the time

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? I think his KK does better than that.

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I think he means QJ

//LDT

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

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This isnt going to happen often up at the $11's to justify a fold.

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This is what I wanted to know. The hand is just an example. I wanted to know if in the long run this is indeed an auto-call.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

Based on the preflop action there are only two hands to be worried about: QJ and 66.

Now think about the range of hands you can put these kids on in $11s. You're good here so much. Instacall.

//LDT

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

Yeah i meant QJ not Q9, my bad.

Re: Understanding the $10+1 players
 

This is a must-call; you're getting 3.58:1 and most of your stack is already invested.

Even if you're behind now to something like QcJc, you'll still draw out 28.5% of the time (meaning you'd need 2.51:1 to call, which you're more than getting here).

The times you're completely pwned by a set are less frequent than the times he's doing this with just TP.

Preflop I would have raised to something more like 150.

Hope it worked out...


Tom