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oaktoon 06-06-2005 03:15 AM

2005 WSOP-- Revenge of the Pros??
 
I've been saying ever since I got to the Rio that I thought the pros would do very well this year. They're still better and I think they have adjusted to all the craziness of the new poker world. Plus a lot more dead money this year.

Well a Cunningham-Fischman-Ulliott final 3 may be porrof positive of that.

And how good is Scott Fischmann anyway-- 1st out of 831 last year, and 2nd out of 2035 this?? Wow. That's as good or better than what action Dan did in the ME in 2003-04.

ZBTHorton 06-06-2005 03:22 AM

Re: 2005 WSOP-- Revenge of the Pros??
 
He's not AS good as those numbers present...

I think he's pretty damn good though. I'd stake him, that's for sure. And I'm certainly not betting against him to win another bracelet this year.

Nottom 06-06-2005 03:28 AM

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And I'm certainly not betting against him to win another bracelet this year.

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If the rest of the fields are anything like the first ones I'd be happy to bet against him or anyone else.

Daniel N already mentioned in his blog that he thought if anyone made mosre than 3 final tables this year it might be the greatest accomplishment in poker history.

diddle 06-06-2005 03:34 AM

Re: 2005 WSOP-- Revenge of the Pros??
 
People who don't play in tournaments view of how pros see tournaments:

Lots of dead money, watch out for "land mines"

Pros in tournaments view of tournaments:

I'm not going to make dominated mistakes like amateurs will. However, my EV of profit in these smaller buy-in events is equal to the buyin at most.

The difference in skill between pros and good amateurs is not that huge. I have seen several well known pros cold calling and 3 betting with KQ against short stacks all in's several times. WHAT ARE YOU BEATING????? POCKET PAIR? NO. ACE-RAG? NO. STOP KQ MADNESS NOW.

TheMainEvent 06-06-2005 03:36 AM

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The difference in skill between pros and good amateurs is not that huge. I have seen several well known pros cold calling and 3 betting with KQ against short stacks all in's several times. WHAT ARE YOU BEATING????? POCKET PAIR? NO. ACE-RAG? NO. STOP KQ MADNESS NOW.

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I thought this was really funny for some reason. That is all.

SNOWBALL138 06-06-2005 05:18 AM

Re: 2005 WSOP-- Revenge of the Pros??
 
lol, ditto. "I treat KQ like 2-3, like its the plague in no limit hold em" -Cloutier

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STOP KQ MADNESS NOW.

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Paluka 06-06-2005 07:58 AM

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And how good is Scott Fischmann anyway-- 1st out of 831 last year, and 2nd out of 2035 this?? Wow. That's as good or better than what action Dan did in the ME in 2003-04.

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I've had friends who are very good players do things online like finish 2nd twice in a row in a 2400 person tourney (Sunday Stars tourney) and win a 400 person tourney 3 times in a row (Paradise Sunday tourney, this same guy came in 2nd in a WPT). Fischman's results aren't out of line with the results any excellent player might be able to post.

A_Junglen 06-06-2005 08:53 AM

Re: 2005 WSOP-- Revenge of the Pros??
 
Online and Live play are very different.

Paluka 06-06-2005 09:19 AM

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Online and Live play are very different.

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Explain.

37offsuit 06-06-2005 09:35 AM

Re: 2005 WSOP-- Revenge of the Pros??
 
When you are anxious about a hand online, only your mouse knows.


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