Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

Neither the CO nor the button are anything but donks, Button less so. They're both loose-passive.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] .
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>,
CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (10.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Button calls $0.50 (All-In), Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.37 BB

I don't mind posting how I played it out as I don't think that's important. My question is should I be worried about protecting this two pair since there are no big draws out there? Should I get my raise in on the turn or let the CO call and raise the river if I'm sure that the button will raise the river?

Of course, as I'm typing this, I'm thinking that the button's going to be all in on the river and CO might drop his hand to 2 bets on the river anyway. For the sake of argument, assume button is fully loaded. Thoughts?

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

What are you even trying to protect your hand against?

Your only concern should be getting the most money in the pot

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

3-bet this flop. CO called 1 bet, he will probably coldcall 2 more. Why risk a check through on the turn when they are willing to pay you off on the flop?

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

Agreed. Fastplay is the new slowplay.

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

If I only call the flop raise, I donk the turn for sure.

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

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If I only call the flop raise, I donk the turn for sure.

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Then why not 3 bet and lead the turn? The only reason to just call the flop would be to try for a checkraise.

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

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Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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River: (10.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>

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Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

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Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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River: (10.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>

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No need to be confused, UTG1 rivered a str8 with KTs. I didn't post it b/c this is not a bad beat post nor do I think the results mattered any. UTG1 was completely wrong to call here.

I usually agree that fast is the new slowplay. I guess I should add that I c/r the turn b/c 1) I was confident that button was not sophisticated enough to use the flop raise to get a free card on the turn and would lead out if checked to AND 2) I still was not worried about any draws even if it was checked through.

Re: Protecting 2 pair, done well or even needed?
 

Because I'm looking to bet-3bet, not drive out the guy in the middle without him putting money in on the turn.

I like going to town on the flop better, too, but if for some reason I just call the flop raise, then bet trying to threebet is better than going for a c/r, I think.

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No need to be confused, UTG1 rivered a str8 with KTs.

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I'm confused because you are UTG. Seems to be a problem with the converter.