40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

This is a hand from a few nights ago at the Commerce 40-80NL game.

4 Handed
SB Maniac ($20,000)
BB Hero ($8400)
UTG unknown ($20,000)
Button: ($15,000)

Hero dealt 9c8s
UTG Raises to $280, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls(pot $840)
Flop : Kh 9s 2s
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks
Turn: 8c
SB checks, BB checks, UTG raises to $500, SB raised $1300 more to $1800, Hero??? (Pot $3140)

Maniac had doubled hero up a few hands earlier with 44 vs 10,10.

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

Maybe make it $3500 and not put another dollar in after that.

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

how often have you seen maniac pull the turn check-raise? what if anything has he shown? why didn't original raiser make a continuation bet?

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

are one of these players Terry from London? Also, are one of these players an Asian man?

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

I personally think that making it 3500$ (or even more) is a good idea. from what I read and my gut feeling on the hand would be that the UTG probably has something like TT or even JJ and when he bet on the turn the maniac felt weakness in his bet and put him to the test. I think that you had them both beat. (unless someone is slow playing a set..)

later
let me know what you think

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

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Also, are one of these players an Asian man?

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I am 99% percent sure the answer is yes

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

I don't play at this level and I know it's short handed, but I don't see the purpose in calling a raise with 98o. I can't believe the other players are that bad that you can take advantage of them postflop enough to make up for that.

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

I think you're most def good here. Maniacs pull these kinda moves when they sense weakness, hell I've done it a ton of times with absolute trash, the one thing maniacs rely on more than anything is making better hands fold. I would pop the Maniac back, in such a way that he knows I am pot committed and he has no fold equity. I dont see a set here.
I dont know if it would be the right or wrong play, but against a maniac, I would just lead out and bet on a flop even where i have middle pair. I guess its just an ego thing with me, but I just cannot let anyone out aggro me at the table.

Re: 40-80NL Hand from Commerce
 

Raise the hell out of it.

Why are you in this pot preflop with 98o?

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Why are you in this pot preflop with 98o?

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Trying to take weak (trash) hands like this against maniacs in the thought that you can somehow outplay them with it postflop is an exercise in masochism in most cases. It is awfully hard to make a move on a maniac who simply won't fold marginal hands.