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05-20-2005 11:21 AM

J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
2/4 NL Prima everybodys stacksize between 3-500$

recently sat down and during that time haven´t seen anyone do anything out of line

hero´s on bb with j-10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
utg raises $8
button folded
sb calls $6
hero calls $4

Flop 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (24$)

sb bet $44
hero calls $44
utg folded

well sb obviously likes his hand, is it worth raising here?
against a hand like KK i´m on a coinflip and against 88 he has 70-30


turn 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (112$)

sb bet $72
hero calls $72

turn gives me a monsterdraw yet with only 1 card to come
im´about 50-50 still to kk and 70-30 against a set

river 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (256$)
sb checks
hero checks

top2pair and sb shows weakness on a dangerous board, should valuebet this river to make a better hand fold (set)or maybe make some extra $ against an overpair like KK

anyway checked it down to and he shows AJ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]and I take it down, thoughts of my play this pot?

HoldEm_Hero 05-20-2005 11:32 AM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
raise the flop

push the turn

your welcome.

Yeti 05-20-2005 11:34 AM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
I disagree, this looks perfect.

gomberg 05-20-2005 12:16 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
It is nice to take odds on the turn - but pushing has its merits too especially if you have some folding equity (which you should).

I'm not sure I like the call on the flop. You either have the best draw or the best hand, but it seems like you have the best draw from that overbet. given that, will he pay you off if you hit? If not, this is a clear fold. Even if you hit a ten, you may not be good or he may fold to the scary card. If you hit a J, you're probably good, but not necessarily. If you think you have bluffing equity from a scare card like a 9 or 7, then a call may be justified.

howzit 05-20-2005 12:28 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
I like it.

Keeps from getting popped back up from a set.

Isn't this hand almost identical to the one Flynn put up?

aggie 05-20-2005 12:37 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
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given that, will he pay you off if you hit? If not, this is a clear fold.

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This is horrible advice

maranello11 05-20-2005 01:01 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
I like pushing the turn as well, to maximize your winnings. I know if you miss you lose your whole stack but there is a chance when you push the turn he is folding AJ. You take the pot down right there. The way you played it looks fine, I would value bet the river since you put him on KK or some one -pair type of hand

howzit 05-20-2005 01:18 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
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I know if you miss you lose your whole stack but there is a chance when you push the turn he is folding AJ. You take the pot down right there.

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or he'll beat you into the pot w/some weird two pair hand or a set. If you want to push the turn, raise the flop.

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The way you played it looks fine, I would value bet the river since you put him on KK or some one -pair type of hand

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Betting the river would work against an uncreative loose player. (i.e. terrible player)

Betting here is opening the door to big decision if you get popped.

thabadguy 05-20-2005 01:19 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
I like a call on the flop and a push on turn. You have good folding equity from AJ or KK.

howzit 05-20-2005 01:39 PM

Re: J-T suited flops toppair and flushdraw
 
i don't see SB holding KK ever.


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