2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

Has something like this been posted before?

$22 SNG, first hand nothing, 2nd hand I go all in.

Can anyone explain to me why this is a good/bad idea math wise or otherwise?

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

Will anyone call you with a worse hand? What exactly are the opponents calling ranges when you push so early? If you think 9's and AJ will call then sure I guess, but this is a pretty terrible play, Why would you want to do this?

Or am I mis-understanding your question...are you asking HOW bad this play is, in terms of $EV?

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

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Or am I mis-understanding your question...are you asking HOW bad this play is, in terms of $EV?

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Yeah.

Like, if people will call with crap, is this a good enough play to make to negate the times people call with KK and AA....

but the thing is that I will probably end up losing my stack to KK and AA anyways, so I might as well try getting in as much as possible against the 99 & AJ crowd

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

Don't have data to back it up, but at the buyins I've played so far, I think all-in preflop (not necessarily just pushing from UTG) is good with QQ in the $11s, a tough choice in the $22s and bad in the $33s.

If you make a decent raise, and are not reraised, you are probably not facing AA or KK and are not likely to get busted by them postflop. If you make a decent raise and are called, you should certainly be able to get away from a flop with and Ace.

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

A fat raise to 75-90 range will get plenty of money in preflop. Most of the time, everyone will fold and u pick up the blinds w/ an open push. The move of honor works better at the $11's or NL Ring games.

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

At the lowest limits you might get called by someone who has AJ thinking he is up against a maniac that will play anything. I couldn't offer a guess or data as to whether or not this offsets those that will call with AA/KK.

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

Next time go all-in on the first hand with nothing, have everyone fold, and then get QQ on the second hand and go all-in and have two people call you. Much more effective.

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Next time go all-in on the first hand with nothing, have everyone fold, and then get QQ on the second hand and go all-in and have two people call you. Much more effective.

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Effective and funny.

If only you could control the 2nd hand....

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

somewhere around 1/12 times you will be dominated by AAKK and a lot more of the time your gonna be against AKso.. 1/9 times you will be even money. so 2/12 times your ev is 0. 1/12 you will get -1.3k ev if the buy in is 1.5k and 9/12 times you will get +1.2k ev if they call.... so you would need them to call with the worst hand 2/9 times to have a little value in that play.

i think thats correct. now you gotta throw these numbers in the ICM.. i dont think its a worth while play.. how bout you raise and get called with the worst hands and just make a profit from them after the flop

Re: 2nd hand of $22, UTG with QQ, I push?
 

going all in with QQ on the second hand of any SNG is pretty horrible, IMO. classic rookie play.