Another river fold
 

Looser than average table. SB is loose and passive and, as far as I can tell, very straightforward. CO is very loose and somewhat tricky.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

I was surprised by the 3-bet, and I was pretty sure it meant top pair good kicker or better.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Bleh?

Re: Another river fold
 

I really don't like the river fold. You're definitely good often enough to call here and see TP worse kick or busted [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img][img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

-Craig

Re: Another river fold
 

I doubt it's a busted flush draw from the read given. But it could very well be K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I'd call.

Re: Another river fold
 

It would be hard for him to have K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], lol.

Re: Another river fold
 

Unless he's a complete rock, I'm calling the river. At least 8% of the time you're hand has to be good. In fact, I might seriously consider raising the turn.

Re: Another river fold
 

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It would be hard for him to have K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], lol.

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I've said it before, ill say it again. PP's fixed!

Fine Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Another river fold
 

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I was surprised by the 3-bet, and I was pretty sure it meant top pair good kicker or better.

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River: (13.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds

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I guess it isn't so bad, but when you say top pair good kicker or better, remember that you beat some hands in that range. Yes T9 makes a straight, but I don't know that a loose passive 3-bets that on the flop. The flush never came in so I think you're good more than 1 time in 14 here. Shed a little tear and call.

Edit: man you guys are fast. There were no replies when I drafted this.

Re: Another river fold
 

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It would be hard for him to have K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], lol.

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I've said it before, ill say it again. PP's fixed!

Fine Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I think that's equally as likely as k [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] j [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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Re: Another river fold
 

I probably should have put in some river thoughts. Does a loose passive bet top pair into two people on this board on the river? It's possible, but I felt the bet greatly reduced his chances of just having a pair.

Also, there's a guy behind me I have to beat as well.

Re: Another river fold
 

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It would be hard for him to have K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], lol.

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I've said it before, ill say it again. PP's fixed!

Fine Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I think that's equally as likely as k [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] j [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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OK how about T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]