I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB


Button is around 12% VPIP and 9% PFR...
would you take another line?

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

Lead the flop, some of the people in the middle will call, hopefully the PFR will raise. Then you get to 3-bet. I think 3-betting is good there, at least one person should call 2 cold, which makes it about EV neutral, if more than one does, which is very very possible, you're making money. If not, maybe it'll clean up some pair outs (if you're not up against an overpair).

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

I think you played the flop the worst possible way. You need to either bet to pump this pot with your flush draw or check/raise the pre-flop raiser when he bets in LP to face the field with 2 bets protecting your overcard outs. I lean towards the check/raise route since the pot is already pretty big. There is also a slight chance that you will take down the pot UI on the turn with this play.

Comments?

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

bet/ 3-bet the flop.

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

Lead out the flop....

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

Played to passivly. This pot should have been bigger.

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

you probably lost some bets too on the river, if you play passively flop/turn than bet when the flush hit... it makes it obvious that you got it and mid pair will 100% fold and not do a crying call...

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

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you probably lost some bets too on the river, if you play passively flop/turn than bet when the flush hit... it makes it obvious that you got it and mid pair will 100% fold and not do a crying call...

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This goes both ways, I could see this river easily checking through the way the action panned out throughout the hand. I like betting here just to be on the safe side. If these players have middle pair or even top pair, there is a good possibility that they would call 1 bet, but check if given the opportunity.

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

Fold preflop?
Bet out the flop, check-call the turn unless you think you can win the pot right there with a bet. Bet the river.

Re: I don\'t wanna raise... QJs UTG
 

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Fold preflop?


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nah, small suited broadways rule to limp in with UTG