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toss 04-26-2005 12:54 PM

JJ Play With an King on Board
 
No real reads.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 max, 7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (8.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Do you like the turn or the river?

Harv72b 04-26-2005 01:09 PM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
When he caps it preflop and the K falls on the flop, I'm going with the assumption that MP1 is far ahead of me here. Therefore, you have two real options after the flop goes down the way it does: Bet the turn (fold to a c/r) &amp; check through the river if you're not convinced or believe that he might fold QQ to your turn bet, or check through the turn &amp; fold to a river bet if you are convinced.

By calling the bet on the river you're basically gambling that villian capped preflop with AQ or TT (or worse) 1 in 10 times. I don't think that's happening even on a short-handed table, especially on 2/4.

smizmiatch 04-26-2005 03:45 PM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
After betting the flop, I believe you should bet the turn and represent the K. It's better to bet the turn than call the river.
Your opponent will likely do two things if you bet the turn: fold right then, or call and check the river. You can then also check the river. If you get raised, you can safely fold.

Fat Nicky 04-26-2005 03:51 PM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
I'd rather bet the turn and take a free showdown at the river than checking the turn. Giving free cards to and A or Q sucks.

toss 04-26-2005 04:12 PM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
Yeah I just plained played this hand badly. Betting the turn and checking behind on the river is probably superior to checking the turn and calling a river bet. I think I was thinking that I could check the turn to avoid a check/raise and induce a bluff from a worse hand on the river. But the hands MP1 could be playing doesn't make that right.

Anyways MP1 shows ATo and MHIG. I make the appropiate notes.

NickRegino 04-27-2005 04:18 AM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
i agree with smiz.

brazilio 04-27-2005 04:40 AM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
You don't think he'll cap to the resteal/isolation punishment with a larger range of hands than normal?

brazilio 04-27-2005 04:42 AM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
If he's folding on the turn to your bet, then you miss the bluff bet on the river.

wrto4556 04-27-2005 04:51 AM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
And you give a free card, miss a value bet against worse hands, and give villain no chance of folding a better hand.

brazilio 04-27-2005 04:55 AM

Re: JJ Play With an King on Board
 
No better hand is folding here.


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