high card ace
 

villain is unknown.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

SB ($112.1)
BB ($121.07)
UTG ($140.45)
MP ($171.54)
CO ($195.3)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $4, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, BB folds, MP calls $10.

Turn: ($35.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($35.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6.

Final Pot: $47.50

6.5:1... how close do you think this is against an unknown? put another way, what odds would be the cutoff for you to call?

Re: high card ace
 

I don't think there's anyway I call it here -- maybe 15:1?

Any legitimate Ace he could have called with beats you, and that's assuming he didn't already have a pair. KT/QT just doesn't call that flop bet, so unless you put your opponent squarely on KQ... I'm a bigger fan of checking the flop and betting the turn here.

And of course, fold pre-flop.

Re: high card ace
 

weak tight?

Re: high card ace
 

i put him on a flush draw 1/7th of the time. you're saying you wouldn't call if he bet $3 into the $33 pot?

Re: high card ace
 

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And of course, fold pre-flop.

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what?

Re: high card ace
 

I'm saying I may call $3, but not $6. I realize you're on the button, but I still don't play A8o, especially since it's not likely to get MP to fold, and it's only going to be better than a random hand 60% of time.

For the flush, what cards do you think he's playing? QT/T9 probably don't call the pre-flop raise, much less the flop bet; KQ/KT might. On the other hand, AK/AQ/AT(/A9/A4/A6/A2) all beat you; AJ/QJ/JT may have slowed played it too, hoping you'd raise the turn or river. Then there's any small/medium pocket pair, which would have played it the exact same way.

Against weak-tight or unknown, I'd probably fold.

Re: high card ace
 

perhaps you don't play these games. he had Q7s for the flush draw. still fold a8o on the button?

Re: high card ace
 

LOL, I guess I don't -- or at least not well. Still don't play that though -- I have, but it's not usually good.

Glad it worked out for you.