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SpearsBritney 04-18-2005 09:32 PM

Choice?
 
Do we really have are own free will, or are our 'choices' just illusions determined by pre-existing circumstances.

stabn 04-18-2005 09:34 PM

Re: Choice?
 
Get a new name,

stabn

Alobar 04-18-2005 09:36 PM

Re: Choice?
 
gotta love philisophical questions that cant be answered


My vote is "both". Its all predetirmed, but I still decided what I wanted when it was time to decide, so it appears like free will to me, which is exactly the same thing.

SpearsBritney 04-18-2005 09:37 PM

Re: Choice?
 
Are you suggesting that my name lacks any sort of credibility or that I'm just a loser?

private joker 04-18-2005 09:41 PM

Re: Choice?
 
The problem with free will (though I believe in it) is reconciling it with the societal compulsion to agree on a universal morality.

My B.A. in Philosophy is worth about 75 cents on a good day.

Read Sartre, particularly "Existentialism Is a Humanism," for more on this topic. Also Kant. But Kant was a jackass.

ttleistdci 04-18-2005 09:43 PM

Re: Choice?
 
huh? All I see are boobs.

SpearsBritney 04-18-2005 09:44 PM

Re: Choice?
 
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gotta love philisophical questions that cant be answered


My vote is "both". Its all predetirmed, but I still decided what I wanted when it was time to decide, so it appears like free will to me, which is exactly the same thing.

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But is your 'choice' to choose 'free will' not determined by every single moment that led up to your 'choosing'. I understand your argument for both, but am surprised that given only the two 'choices', you leaned towards free will.

Alobar 04-18-2005 09:45 PM

Re: Choice?
 
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But is your 'choice' to choose 'free will' not determined by every single moment that led up to your 'choosing'.

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No

bholdr 04-18-2005 09:52 PM

Re: Choice?
 
as far as we are capable of determining, we have free will. that'll have to be good enough.

SpearsBritney 04-18-2005 09:55 PM

Re: Choice?
 
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But is your 'choice' to choose 'free will' not determined by every single moment that led up to your 'choosing'.

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No

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Than you're saying your 'decision' was random?


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