77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

Villain is 12/5/1.8 over 60 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">I figured he'd bet the flop if he had a K or Q and now he could be semi-bluffing the turn with a straight or BDFD since everyone else had checked up to this point. With 77 I also felt my 2 pair was possibly good so I raised here figuring if he might fold or check to me later. The reraise threw me so I called with the intention of calling on the river if a blank fell. </font>

River: (8.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

with the medium pair and the smallish pot, if you want to show it down i would think you'd want to do so cheaply.

i'd bet that flop, bet the turn, and check the river through, probably folding to aggression. with a 12% VPIP from EP I figure he's got either another pocket pair, or two cards 10+.

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

Hmmmmm, confusing hand. On the flop I doubt anyone has a K, so you are scared of a Q. I would probably bet here.

On the turn, how you played it was OK. It is a good bluffing opportunity but the 3bet screams he has something.

Definately check/fold the river. May be 8/1 but you only have a 7 kicker, not worth anything!

Not much help but this is interesting

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

if you're going to get hostile with your underpair, you should bet the flop and give any queens a chance to fold.

on the turn it is more likely he just tripped up and isn't afraid of the king anymore. i wouldn't call the 3-bet. you have 0-2 outs.

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

you're right that villain likely would have bet the flop w the K, but unless he's quite aggressive, he's not betting a Q into 4. unless you have a good read that villain consistently likes to bluff at these sorts of boards, I'm letting this one go on the turn. too many ways to be beat and not a lot of ways for the river to help.

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

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if you're going to get hostile with your underpair, you should bet the flop and give any queens a chance to fold.

on the turn it is more likely he just tripped up and isn't afraid of the king anymore. i wouldn't call the 3-bet. you have 0-2 outs.

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I wasn't planning on betting the 7's on the flop. When it was checked to me I decided to take a card off and hope to hit a 7.

When the turn got checked is when I decided to make a play. The reraise was bad for me but I decided to call it since I didn't want to lay down my 7's before seeing the river as I had come this far. Is that totally bad thinking on my part?

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

I'd give this up on the turn. He might have checked a queen since the king is on board. The pot is small, if you're behind you have little chance of winning, and if you're ahead there are a ton of cards that beat you.

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

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if you're going to get hostile with your underpair, you should bet the flop and give any queens a chance to fold.

on the turn it is more likely he just tripped up and isn't afraid of the king anymore. i wouldn't call the 3-bet. you have 0-2 outs.

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I wasn't planning on betting the 7's on the flop. When it was checked to me I decided to take a card off and hope to hit a 7.

When the turn got checked is when I decided to make a play. The reraise was bad for me but I decided to call it since I didn't want to lay down my 7's before seeing the river as I had come this far. Is that totally bad thinking on my part?

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yeah. whether or not it is correct to bet the flop i don't really know. it's a big field, and i doubt you're folding a queen holder.

anyway...the turn wasn't checked to you. it was bet. i know i fall into the thought pattern that i really want my sevens to be good, so i assume villian is bluffing. but really, the most likely thing is that he checked his pair of queens on the flop fearing a king, and then bet the turn. he is, after all a tight player (so far at least). i don't think a turn raise is good. for the same cost you could call and then call the river. he'll 3-bet you if you are completely screwed though, and thats why you should fold. the "well, i've come this far i might as well see the river" is a REALLY BAD THOUGHT PROCESS.

acceptable thoughts include but are not limited too:
(not that any of these apply to your specific situation)
-this guy is a maniac and could have any 2 cards
-i have pot odds to call
-i don't have pot odds to call but i can make up those bets on some likely river action

but NEVER - i might as well see the river....

Re: 77 LP - Board Pairs Q\'s and K overcard
 

with no aggression preflop, i'm betting here. if you're not going to bet, yes the turn is a good bluff spot especially with a flush draw possible, so read-dependent the turn is debatable.

with 77, i'd want to see showdown cheap and call. as it played out, i'd check behind on the river too.