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this whole fiasco has made me realize how ridiculous rake is. another user mentioned paying close to 100k rake a year. that's absurd to play online poker. if i worked out my monthly average it would probably equate to 12k a year.

Are there currently any operating rake free sites? i will start playing there even if there's limited amounts of players. all of us need to make a move together against this capitalist system.

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this whole fiasco has made me realize how ridiculous rake is. another user mentioned paying close to 100k rake a year. that's absurd to play online poker. if i worked out my monthly average it would probably equate to 12k a year.

Are there currently any operating rake free sites? i will start playing there even if there's limited amounts of players. all of us need to make a move together against this capitalist system.

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Not to sound harsh, but...

You worry about rake first, I will worry about my opponent first. If I can then work something out with the rake, so be it, but I want loose passive opponents who play poorly and only the big places have those. If a rake free/rake reduced site gets the masses of these players, you won't need to post about it here for 95% of the 2+2 crowd to move over. Opponents are just more important than rake.

Vern

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No, people tried, it didn't work. Dutch Boyd's projects failed and Gus Hansen has a nice site with 50% rakeback, but there has been like no traffic there.

People go were fish are, fish don't understand rake, so rakefree doesn't do anything to get them.

You need money and fame to start a poker site. No one will put up the money if they don't think they will get money in return.

The existing poker sites have a vested interest in keeping the rake scheme. They will try to crush opposistion.

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Party has one of the worst rake structures out there and is the largest site online. To get the biggest traffic and profit rake is not the most important obviously.

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No, people tried, it didn't work. Dutch Boyd's projects failed and Gus Hansen has a nice site with 50% rakeback, but there has been like no traffic there.

People go were fish are, fish don't understand rake, so rakefree doesn't do anything to get them.

You need money and fame to start a poker site. No one will put up the money if they don't think they will get money in return.

The existing poker sites have a vested interest in keeping the rake scheme. They will try to crush opposistion.

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I agree, It will take a wealthy company who is willing to pur lots of money into advertising in order to get it off the ground, however, once the site is off the ground it will be a smooth and fast transition. The market is ready for a shift. The fish dont care aobut rake, but they want games. We are the players that creat the games, we 8 table, we make up a strong portion of the player base, they come with us, we determine the market.

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Not to sound harsh, but...

You worry about rake first, I will worry about my opponent first. If I can then work something out with the rake, so be it, but I want loose passive opponents who play poorly and only the big places have those. If a rake free/rake reduced site gets the masses of these players, you won't need to post about it here for 95% of the 2+2 crowd to move over. Opponents are just more important than rake.

Vern

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That is just stupid. The casinos in miami used to rake $2 and $1 jackpot on $10 pots, because they could and no one knew any better. Now not even the biggest fish would pay this . We need to use our power to lower rakes and incresse compition. Party rapes us worse than Tony Soprono would. I pay $5,000 a month in rake accourding to PT. I don't acctullay pay this because I always play under a bonus. Any one who would accutualy pay this money for a service thay cost the at most 10 a month per person is a sucker, pure and simple.

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Not to sound harsh, but...

You worry about rake first, I will worry about my opponent first. If I can then work something out with the rake, so be it, but I want loose passive opponents who play poorly and only the big places have those. If a rake free/rake reduced site gets the masses of these players, you won't need to post about it here for 95% of the 2+2 crowd to move over. Opponents are just more important than rake.

Vern

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That is just stupid. The casinos in miami used to rake $2 and $1 jackpot on $10 pots, because they could and no one knew any better. Now not even the biggest fish would pay this . We need to use our power to lower rakes and incresse compition. Party rapes us worse than Tony Soprono would. I pay $5,000 a month in rake accourding to PT. I don't acctullay pay this because I always play under a bonus. Any one who would accutualy pay this money for a service thay cost the at most 10 a month per person is a sucker, pure and simple.

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It costs party less than 1 dollar per person per month.

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Not to sound harsh, but...

You worry about rake first, I will worry about my opponent first. If I can then work something out with the rake, so be it, but I want loose passive opponents who play poorly and only the big places have those. If a rake free/rake reduced site gets the masses of these players, you won't need to post about it here for 95% of the 2+2 crowd to move over. Opponents are just more important than rake.

Vern

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That is just stupid. The casinos in miami used to rake $2 and $1 jackpot on $10 pots, because they could and no one knew any better. Now not even the biggest fish would pay this . We need to use our power to lower rakes and incresse compition. Party rapes us worse than Tony Soprono would. I pay $5,000 a month in rake accourding to PT. I don't acctullay pay this because I always play under a bonus. Any one who would accutualy pay this money for a service thay cost the at most 10 a month per person is a sucker, pure and simple.

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What power do we have, "Hey all the good players are gonna leave so all your weak players won't lose as much to use, play more and make you more in rake!" I don't think if the entire 2+2 community left Party we would even be a blip on their radar, at least a negative one. If the rake gets to high to make a profit, as in your example, then yes, I move on, but if Party, after rake, is still the place I can make the most $/Hr, then that is the place I play. Sure I want the rake reduced, but the chances of that are slim and I don't see us as having any power to affect it.

Vern

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all of us need to make a move together against this capitalist system.


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Lenin: Leo, I raise, and don't think about dropping 1 ruble of the workers money you pig.

Trotsky: Vlady, you're intimation that I would make a capitalist drop w/ the profit of our comrades' labor is a disgusting attempt to intimidate me. I reraise. And don't go praying to some poker god or I will call Stalin in to teach you about religion.