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grouchie 03-07-2005 01:28 AM

Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 ($24.75)
MP1 ($20.38)
MP2 ($25.25)
MP3 ($24.05)
CO ($19)
Button ($26.9)
SB ($23.87)
BB ($54.3)
UTG ($25)
Hero ($45.2)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.75, UTG+2 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($8.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 calls $22.75 (All-In), MP3 folds, SB calls $21.87 (All-In)

Hero....?

I only have 5 hands on UTG+2 thus I really had no idea what his all in was representing. I know some people make this move with 2 pair or trips to chase out someone with the A.

I have about 50 hands with MP3, but up to this point he has done nothing that stands out. He's played a couple of hands, nothing to showdown.
So, unfortunately There are no reads.

I know people will say fold preflop, I was too early to call this bet. And, my response is the ever lame "i was going to leave when the blinds hit me so I called what I figure'd was my last playable hand"

After the flop I was a bit skittish, not because of the first all in, but because of the call. To this point tonight I had lost two flush over flush's.

Is this an easy call with 1) allready having a flush and 2) having an open ended straight flush?

(also, MP3 debated for a long time and eventually folded. Later said he had QQ with the Q of diamonds).

StudioGlyphic 03-07-2005 01:34 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
I would call. You're getting 2.5:1 for your money with a made hand that is both vulnerable and a draw to the nuts. If it turns out someone else has a bigger flush or draws out on you, just brush it off and leave the table like you had planned.

Did you make your straight flush?

swolfe 03-07-2005 01:42 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
call with the quickness..

and PF isn't really too bad. you don't really have the implied odds, but having another caller helps.

Los Feliz Slim 03-07-2005 01:57 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
I don't have it in me to lay down that kind of draw with money in the pot. Call.

edge 03-07-2005 02:23 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
Easy call.

zeero3 03-07-2005 04:25 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
Easy call??? What's so easy about it, the fact that he flopped a flush, the fact that he has a OESF, or the fact that this pot was raised PF?

WildPtr 03-07-2005 04:43 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
I would throw this one away easier then 72o preflop. The fact that SB called with ridiculous potodds is a clear sign to at least me he has a higher flush. The slim chance he has hit a set of kings may make a call possible but I would only do that with a strong read that he would call such a bet with the possible flush out there.

soah 03-07-2005 04:46 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would throw this one away easier then 72o preflop. The fact that SB called with ridiculous potodds is a clear sign to at least me he has a higher flush.

[/ QUOTE ]

... or Adxx, KJo, or anything else that he'd see a flop with.

WildPtr 03-07-2005 04:54 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
He did have to pay to see the flop as he was first to call the $2 raise which is a substantial raise when the big blind is $0.25. Would you call that with KJo? Ofcourse, you have the occasional maniac table but he had no reads so why take the risk?

soah 03-07-2005 05:08 AM

Re: Flopped flush + Open Ended Straight flush draw,
 
Why ask what I would do? I'm not playing his hand. If he knew not to be going broke with KJo there then he wouldn't be playing PP NL25 either.


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