Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

You are in a $10,000 tourney with 10K starting chips and let's say 876 players.

On the very first hand in the BB you hold A/A.

UTG holds Q/J of hearts and pushes all-in

UTG+1 holds A/J of clubs and calls

UTG+2 holds A/K of spades and calls

Button holds 7/7 and calls

SB holds Q/Q and calls

What do you do?

Re: Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

I don't know why this is in "Probability" but,

via PokerStove, the AA will win 42% of the time.

Call:
58% of the time your EV is 0.
42% of the time you will have 60K in chips vs 870 other players with 10K each. EV(Call+Win) is ????. If I am playing against a bunch of 3rd graders? a seasoned field?

Fold:
You have 10K in chips ( ok, minus the BB ) vs 870 players also with 10K and one with 50K. EV(Fold) is ????

Clearly the question is whether

.42 * EV(Call+Win) > EV(Fold)

which is dependent on payout structure and relative skill levels.

Re: Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

If you fold AA in this situations, you must grossly overestimate your tournament skill.

People love to talk about how great players should pass up tiny advantages, an idea that isn't particularly important and is unrelated to why the players are great. Somehow it gets distorted into the idea that mediocre players should pass up huge advantages like this one. That's terrible.

Even if you expect that there will be great opportunities later, you will be able to take advantage of them more if you have more chips.

Re: Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

After 579 posts how could you still post junk like this?

Re: Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

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I'm intrigued by the division of what everyone would choose to do. You would think that people on the 2+2 forums would lean more heavily one way rather than the other. Instead we have an almost equal 3-way split.

It's interesting because it gives you an idea of what to expect when playing in the tourneys against others.

Re: Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

I think the question is better to ask not knowing what the hole cards of the other players are.

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I actually originally intended to pose the question without having the hole cards revealed, and then revealing them later to see how people would respond.

Personally I think pot odds dictate the call, but are you going to have enough of an edge against five random hands to risk your entire tournament? It's an intriguing situation.

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After 579 posts how could you still post junk like this?

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I'm intrigued by the division of what everyone would choose to do. You would think that people on the 2+2 forums would lean more heavily one way rather than the other. Instead we have an almost equal 3-way split.

It's interesting because it gives you an idea of what to expect when playing in the tourneys against others.

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This question is not interesting. First of all, basically the exact same question has been posted in the MTT forum several times already. It has already been established that some people are dumb enough to fold AA in this situation. Second of all, the question is completely unrealistic. Unless inflation suddenly skyrockets, there will never be a $10,000 tournament where 5 people move all-in preflop on the first hand. Finally, even if this situation ever did occur, there is no question that you should call with AA in this situation.

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After 579 posts how could you still post junk like this?

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I'm intrigued by the division of what everyone would choose to do. You would think that people on the 2+2 forums would lean more heavily one way rather than the other. Instead we have an almost equal 3-way split.

It's interesting because it gives you an idea of what to expect when playing in the tourneys against others.

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This question is not interesting. First of all, basically the exact same question has been posted in the MTT forum several times already. It has already been established that some people are dumb enough to fold AA in this situation. Second of all, the question is completely unrealistic. Unless inflation suddenly skyrockets, there will never be a $10,000 tournament where 5 people move all-in preflop on the first hand. Finally, even if this situation ever did occur, there is no question that you should call with AA in this situation.

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Just because YOU don't find the question interesting, and YOU know how it should be played, and YOU have seen it on these forums before......does not mean that others who may be new to these forums (or may have not read every thread) are familiar with it.

If you don't care for the question/thread, then just don't post in it, simple enough to handle I'd think.

Re: Big Tourney-A/A First Hand Vs. Five All-In Players
 

Turn the question around--One player bets all- in to you and you KNOW your chance of winning is 42%. Call or fold?

regards,
carlo