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brizzypare 02-19-2005 09:07 PM

Do you push here?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

BB (t540)
UTG (t405)
MP1 (t1735)
MP2 (t890)
CO (t1265)
Button (t2670)
Hero (t495)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero ???

Is this an easy push?

silversurfer 02-19-2005 09:14 PM

Re: Do you push here?
 
Why would you? That is a less than average hand. The median is Q8, I believe (and I wouldn't push with that here either. Wait until the next time you get Ax, suited connectors, or broadway cards at the very least given the situation you have described.

brizzypare 02-19-2005 09:37 PM

Re: Do you push here?
 
I read somewhere that all in in the SB with &lt; 8 BB was profitable with any two random cards. Was I using this wrong?

Phil Van Sexton 02-19-2005 09:38 PM

Re: Do you push here?
 
I push with any 2 cards.

robokop 02-19-2005 09:40 PM

Re: Do you push here?
 
I think you mean &lt; 8 BB. And I'm unsure of the truth of the argument.

I wouldn't push here.

adanthar 02-19-2005 09:41 PM

Re: Do you push here?
 
This fully depends on the BB. If he's an idiot, no. If he's seemed reasonable, push 32o.

eastbay 02-20-2005 01:14 AM

Re: Do you push here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

BB (t540)
UTG (t405)
MP1 (t1735)
MP2 (t890)
CO (t1265)
Button (t2670)
Hero (t495)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero ???

Is this an easy push?

[/ QUOTE ]

Easy push, IMO, even for a fairly loose BB. The reason is that you increase your equity a great deal (ICM estimates &gt;1/3) when you pick up the blinds here.

http://rwa.homelinux.net/poker/loose-J5o.PNG


For a reasonably tight BB, 32o is an easy push:

http://rwa.homelinux.net/poker/tight-32o.PNG

So, I think Phil hit the mark here, as usual. You can quibble about the equity values here, but I think it gives the correct ordering, which is all you need to make these decisions.

eastbay

PS The screenshots are a program I'm developing that is not released yet, to respond to the usual follow-up.

lastchance 02-20-2005 01:36 AM

Re: Do you push here?
 
For me, yeah.

morgan180 02-20-2005 02:19 AM

Re: Do you push here?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I push with any 2 cards.

[/ QUOTE ]

i agree - push away.

morgan180 02-20-2005 02:19 AM

Re: Do you push here?
 
eastbay, that thing looks ridiculous (as in ridiculously impressive)


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