NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

The game is NL holdem with blinds of 5 and 10. Each player in the hand has about 1k in chips. You call in MP with Ad8d. There are 3 more limpers and the blinds check.
The flop is 6d 7d Jd. A solid player leads for a pot sized bet from the SB. The BB folds. The action is on you and the 3 players behind you don't play well.
Do you call or raise?

Is this a good situation for a slowplay?
Reasons why it is or is not?

Thanks

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

i feel it is a great spot for a slowplay. because they if someone rasies he is probably just trying to defend a made but vulnerable hand and u can suck his money into the pot. and everyone else is probably drawing dead to a second best flush and if they hold a card to make a straightt flush i think they wouldnt stay in because they really would only have 2 outs and i think u wouldnt really mind someone staying in with 2 outs. just build the pot by keeping the most ppl in. if u think they will call your raise raise it up or just call and hope one of them might raise



by the way that isnt the nuts at this point [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

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The game is NL holdem with blinds of 5 and 10. Each player in the hand has about 1k in chips. You call in MP with Ad8d. There are 3 more limpers and the blinds check.
The flop is 6d 7d Jd. A solid player leads for a pot sized bet from the SB. The BB folds. The action is on you and the 3 players behind you don't play well.
Do you call or raise?

Is this a good situation for a slowplay?
Reasons why it is or is not?

Thanks

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The only thing you fear is a set, which has a 35% chance to outdraw you with 2 to play.

One way to play it is a smooth call the flop bet, and move all in on the turn when the board does not pair. If the board pairs, proceed cautiously.

If your flush was not the nuts, I would be more inclined to raise the flop.

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

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by the way that isnt the nuts at this point [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is "the nuts at this point", on a flop of J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

There are 3 possible flush hands that could outdraw you later:

5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

I had an almost identical situation last night, when I chose to slow-play and it worked out very well.

Here's the history - I've posted this partly because it gives an example where slowplaying the nut flush worked well (my feeling is that the two-pair guy might have folded to early aggression), but mostly because this is the largest single pot I've won so far ($500) and I want to post it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] So, apologies for the low content.

If anyone has any comments, much appreciated - in hindsight perhaps I could have been more careful of the straight-flush possibility, but I figured the chances were so small that I didn't need to pay much attention to that - I'm going to win in this situation much more often than I'll lose.

This is £0.50/£1 ($1/$2) NL, £100 max buyin. Sorry for not converting it, the hand convertor doesn't work on this format.

Seat 5: TheBloke (£259.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Joh240144 (£29 in chips)
Seat 8: patman (£110.50 in chips)
TheBloke: posts small blind £0.50
Joh240144: posts big blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to TheBloke [As Qs]
patman: calls £1
TheBloke: raises to £3
Joh240144: calls £2
patman: calls £2
----- FLOP ----- [6s 2s 4s]
TheBloke: checks
Joh240144: bets £3
patman: calls £3
TheBloke: calls £3
----- TURN ----- [6s 2s 4s][5d]
TheBloke: checks
Joh240144: bets £23 and is all-in
patman: calls £23
TheBloke: raises to £50
patman: calls £27
----- RIVER ----- [6s 2s 4s 5d][8s]
TheBloke: bets £55
patman: is all-in £54.50
Returned uncalled bets £0.50 to TheBloke
----- SHOW DOWN -----
TheBloke: shows [As Qs] (A Flush, Ace high)
Joh240144: shows [9s 8h] (A Flush, Nine high)
patman: shows [6c 5c] (Two Pairs, Sixes and Fives, Eight high)
TheBloke collected £163 from Side pot #1
TheBloke collected £84 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £250 Main pot £84 Side pot #1 £163 | Rake £3
Board [6s 2s 4s 5d 8s]

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

Nice hand.

But jeez:

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Rake £3

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... that is a bit scary.

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

Just to play devil's advocate, I'll point out some reasons to raise the flop.

1) A diamond on the turn could kill your action. If one of your opponents is slowplaying small flush a diamond or pairing card on the turn could cause you to make much less money.

2) Many opponents will read a flop raise as a bare Ad and not wanting to give a free card will play aggressively. On the other hand waiting until the turn to raise is a much stronger move and could allow your opponents to get away cheaply.

Just things to think about.

Paul

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

Thanks for the hand comment!

Re rake - yeah I know - Crypto are raking (hoho) it in on this one.

However it suits me at the moment playing in my own currency - I will branch out at sometime, but at the moment I'm beating the game for a reasonable amount (only 2k hands so far), and would like to get up to 10-15k hands before I try something else. That way I can say I have a moderately relevant sample at that game before testing another.

Plus I think the high rake keeps some of the sharks out, which helps [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

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by the way that isnt the nuts at this point [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is "the nuts at this point", on a flop of J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

There are 3 possible flush hands that could outdraw you later:

5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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As well as:

K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

All of these could runner-runner a straight flush from 9 to K.

Re: NL hand - slowplay the nut flush?
 

How is an ace high flush on an unpaired board not the nuts at this point? No straight flushes are currently possible, especially since he holds the 8 that kills the openendedness.