My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

Ok, so my river card isn't really a free card now since the flop three bet is the same amount of money as a flop call and turn call. So call it a flop value bet with a free river card.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (9.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...




Anybody cap the flop with my baby flush draw and gutshot straight?

--Zetack

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

I'd of capped the flop. You have strong enough of a draw, and there are enough callers to make it a value raise.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

I would usually fold this in this spot PF. Am I wrong? Your pot odds are decent but your implied odds aren't that great with only three other players in. The ONLY value to your hand is suitedness, it has no connectedness and no high value. Am I wrong? Is this a clear call?

Why not cap the flop for value? You have 9 flush outs + ~2.5 straight outs for the 6 + ~1 outs for the J, giving you 12.5 outs twice, so you are about 46% to hit by the river, more than the 33% you need to cap for value. Plus you have a (slightly) better chance of getting a free turn card. I think not capping here is a mistake.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

Getting 8:1 preflop, I think a call is fine.

Check out this article by Ed Miller.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

I cap the flop, because you have an OESD. Plus, I think it would have guaranteed a free card on the turn.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

I'm folding this preflop as well for the exact reason of flops like this

He has a 7 high flush draw, and the ass end of an OESD, so not only does he only have draws, but none of them are clean

In this situation it's very possible someone has a better hand atm, and someone else has a better draw.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

Folding preflop? When it comes back around to him after the raise, he's getting 7-1 on his call, which seems more than enough for 2 suited cards, even if they are a 7 and a 2.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

This is not a bad flop. I don't care how small the flush draw is.

I would call preflop.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

No. No. No. His draws are fine.

Re: My free card play doesn\'t work....and I get a \"free\" card anyway
 

PF is fine.

Capping the flop is good for value and might buy you that free card yet. SB's 3-bet flop to turn check is weird, but it worked out well for you.