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cgwahl 02-03-2005 01:50 AM

Would you play this KK any different?
 
Guy has played 56% of hands with a Post Flop agg of .34 (0% preflop raise)


PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
I realized there was a good chance he had the straight from the beginning (especially since he is so passive normally), but his just calling threw me off some. He hasn't played "tricky" enough for me to think he knew him raising would make me seriously consider him folding. So at the time at best I put him on Queens, or at the least a straight draw.

BB has Ts 9s (straight, queen high).
Hero has Kd Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 14.25 BB. </font>

cold_cash 02-03-2005 01:55 AM

Re: Would you play this KK any different?
 
Against a guy so passive, you're losing for sure once he bets the turn.

In fact, if I wasn't so lazy I'd figure out what your effective odds are for calling down right after he leads the turn, and I could probably make a good argument for folding then and there. (I don't think a guy this passive plays any worse hands this way.)

Just call the river.

bottomset 02-03-2005 01:59 AM

Re: Would you play this KK any different?
 
be glad he's an idiot who can't read the board

Crveballin 02-03-2005 02:01 AM

Re: Would you play this KK any different?
 
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be glad he's an idiot who can't read the board

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Considering he had the nuts, he could have taken you for more on the river.

GrunchCan 02-03-2005 02:05 AM

Re: Would you play this KK any different?
 
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Just call the river.

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cold_cash 02-03-2005 02:06 AM

Re: Would you play this KK any different?
 
I just noticed your comments in white and wanted to respond.

The first thing I wanted to say was an opponent this passive isn't betting a straight draw.

Secondly, after all the aggression you've shown pre-flop and on the flop, when he bets out again on the turn he's not betting a single pair hand, either.

The stop and go is tough to decipher most of the time, but it becomes easier when the specific opponent is so terribly passive.

cgwahl 02-03-2005 03:12 AM

Re: Would you play this KK any different?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I just noticed your comments in white and wanted to respond.

The first thing I wanted to say was an opponent this passive isn't betting a straight draw.

Secondly, after all the aggression you've shown pre-flop and on the flop, when he bets out again on the turn he's not betting a single pair hand, either.

The stop and go is tough to decipher most of the time, but it becomes easier when the specific opponent is so terribly passive.

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Yeah, I should have realized that on the turn. Just him calling and not raising or anything confused me like you wouldn't believe. hehe.

In retrospect I should have known better. As someone said above, I got lucky I guess (since he couldn't read the board apparantly). I'll do better next time. Thanks all.


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