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stabn 01-25-2005 02:35 AM

QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
My friend wants to know if she can get away from this preflop, or could have done anything better. It's early in a Stars $1 multi. MP3 is loose aggressive and has been seen raising UTG with A2o and calling in Ep with K7o. She dosen't have a solid read on CO other than CO hasn't been too far out of line, but we've only seen 26 hands so far.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP3 (t2205)</font>
<font color="#C00000">CO (t995)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2220)</font>
SB (t1680)
BB (t5155)
UTG (t1775)
UTG+1 (t1735)
MP1 (t1595)
MP2 (t1730)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t995</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2220</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t1905 (All-In).

Flop: (t5525) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t5525) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t5525) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t5525
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t3090 (t3090), between MP3, CO and Hero.</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: t2435 (t2435), between CO and Hero.</font>

istewart 01-25-2005 03:07 AM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
I'd probably pick a better spot. QQ doesn't look that great facing a raise and a reraise. Especially since your stack isn't too bad.

stabn 01-25-2005 04:16 AM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
Seriously? The reraise is half my stack, and the origional raise is a very loose player. You don't think CO could be on an isolation play?

skoal2k4 01-25-2005 04:23 AM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
It's a $1 multi which means play will be extremely loose during the first hour. Just the way it goes. You have one of the top starting hands in holdem. The all-in might be a little extreme, but if you're gonna commit half your stack, might as well push. I don't see anything wrong with that play.

Robbie

stabn 01-25-2005 03:24 PM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
Would you have played it differently? I think it's fold or push, i don't think calling is an option. Pushing i'm basically hoping MP3 folds and i eliminate an overcard or two to my queens and get heads up with the not short but relatively short stack.

I should have posted it like this in the first place:

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, MP3 raises to t300, CO raises to t995, Hero ???

Given that action, and the reads on MP3 and CO should she be folding here a good % of the time? Or simply pushing like she did? I think the read we have on MP3 makes this an impossible fold instead of a normal 'raise and reraise so queens are most likely no good' sort of hand.

SossMan 01-25-2005 03:26 PM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
easy push unless you have a read to the contrary.

Sam T. 01-25-2005 04:22 PM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
Easy call. We know MP3 is loose, so CO's raise is quite possibly an isolation play.

More importantly, both you and MP3 have the CO out-chipped by quite a bit. You can only lose t995 to the CO, but you can win t2205 from MP3. Unless you put MP3 on AA-KK or AK (which you obviously don't), folding would be horrible. Even if you lose to the CO, you make t200 by busting MP3.

Also, I would flat-call COs push in order to make sure MP3 came along for the ride.

obeythekitten 01-25-2005 04:36 PM

Re: QQ Prelop - Should I get away from this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
easy push unless you have a read to the contrary.

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