What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

Perhaps this is a good question, perhaps not. My mother actually posed this question to me over the Christmas holiday. We were watching Rounders and after the final hand she turned to me and said "What did the bad guy have?"

I didn't really know what to say, to my embarrassment I hadn't really thought about it up until now.

As a refresher heres how the hand played out

Matt Damon (MD) and Teddy KGB, Heads up, no limit HE. Blinds 50/100. MD has KGB slightly outchipped but both are right around 30,000.

Preflop

MD (8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) raises to 200, KGB calls

Pot 400
Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

MD checks, KGB bets 2000, MD calls

Pot 4,400
Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MD checks, KGB bets pot 4,400, MD calls

Pot 13,200
River: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

MD checks, KGB all in, MD calls

Okay, so we know that MD wins and goes off to test his skill in Vegas. KGB goes into his cruddy little back room to munch Oreos. What do you think KGB had?

My first thought was a set of sixes or sevens. The overbet on the flop looks wrong for that though. 2 Pair was my next guess, but going all in when the ace hits the river is terrible with 2 smaller pair as MD could have had A7 or the like.

The hand I keep coming up with for KGB to have is AA. He likes to slowplay those, as we saw in the first confrontation between him and MD...so no preflop raise from him. The overbet on the flop looks strange here, but I guess it is meant to fold a hand like 87 or 9T. Every street except for the river it seems as if he is trying to milk MD if he is ahead, but is not committing all of his chips. When the ace hits the river, the only hand that beats him is the straight.

Of course he might have had 23os and been completely on tilt...but judging by his reaction when MD shows the straight I think he had a pretty good hand that got cracked.

I will say that I hardly ever play NL. I'm mostly a limit player and don't have nearly the grasp of NL that I would like to have. Basically, I'm saying that due to my lack of experience I could be way off here. I would love to here from some of those with more experience.

So what do you think he had, and why?

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

it doesnt matter. the poker schenes in that movie suck as they didnt do them correctly.

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Probally aces, considering it's a movie.

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ATo

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

It's been awhile since I've seen the movie, but if Aces were featured that way in the beginning, then it's likely that they got cracked in the end... a movie (and print) technique used to "bookend" a story with a common theme.

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

Clearly AA.

Think about the fact that KGB busted MD with this hand earlier, then think about the way the hand plays out.

Orianas points out correctly that he probably held AA as a "full circle" in the movie. Except this time, Damon prevailed and has wisened up to have what it takes.

If KGB does not account for the slowplay, this is clearly his way of playing aces.

I mean, it's not close.

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

havent seen the movie in a year or so but im 95% sure that kgb raised pre-flop and matt called. Could be wrong. I always thought he had A10 for sure

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

He had TT

Slow the scene down and you can see when he throws his cards.

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

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He had TT

Slow the scene down and you can see when he throws his cards.

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This is the one true answer to this question. Its been asked many times before and this is the one that is always the answer.

Re: What Hand did Teddy KGB have at the end of Rounders
 

It harts, dozint it? Your hopes....desht. Your dreams *shhhhhhhhht* down the focking drain. And your fate is sittink right besidez you.