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John_Manley 11-15-2004 04:48 PM

AA in the BB
 
This weekend while playing 30-60 and 15-30 limit holdem on Pokerstarts I was fortunate enough to be dealt AA and KK on several occassions. My reflexive response to having AA or KK in a limit holdem game is to raise and to cap if possible. On a couple of occasions I was dealt AA (1) and KK (2) in the BB. On each occassion, by the time it was my turn to act 4-5 people had limped in. On each occasion I raised simply with the rational that I was likely to have the best hand and I was going to make them "pay to play".
Of course everone would alway call the raise. Unfourtunately on 2/3 occasions I was outdrawn. On each occasion I was in the lead on the flop but the texture of the flop was always concerning such as 2 suited cards or two ranked cards together. On each occasion it was not until the river that I was actually beat. My question is that in a mutiway pot is it the right thing to do to raise on the button with AA or KK. The chances of winning with these cards in a limit holdem game significantly decreases (I don't know the odds) but more importantly by raising the pot pre-flop I now give my opponents the right pot-odds to stay in a hand with one pair and a gut-shot straight draw.
I would be interested in any comments.

John

Paluka 11-15-2004 04:54 PM

Re: AA in the BB
 
The math here is pretty simple. You say you are winning 2/3 of the pots and 5 people called your preflop raise. Sounds like a winner.

Gabe 11-15-2004 05:06 PM

Re: AA in the BB
 
With AA and KK, raising is not debatable. JJ was debatable, but it appears that raising has won the debate.

John_Manley 11-15-2004 05:20 PM

Re: AA in the BB
 
I may not have been clear enough. I actually lost 2 out of three. Depite this you would still put the extra bet in at this point? In actuality, I doubt that Pot-odds were running through my oppoents head at this point. Nevertheless I think he made the right call. If I had not raised in the situation where he had hit the lowest pair on the board and hit his gut-shot on the river then he would not have had the right pot-odds.

VegasChip 11-15-2004 05:28 PM

Re: AA in the BB
 
Keep raising

James282 11-15-2004 06:25 PM

Re: AA in the BB
 
Even winning 1/3 against 5 opponents is great for you. though you can probably expect to win more.
-James


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