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Jason Strasser 11-13-2004 07:36 AM

24s
 
After not playing the 200 sngs since the summer, I decided to get back into it. I've also been using pokertracker now, and have some rather lame stats so far.

123 Tournies, 12 1sts, 14 2nds, 20 3rds, 15 4ths, 20 5ths, ROI 7.35% +$1945. I expect though that the HU gods should stop punishing me, and my figure will be up to 13-17% where I expect it.

Anyhow, here is a hand that reminds me of some hands I posted a while back. This is my favorite spot in a sng.


4 handed, blinds 100/200
UTG has T800, button has T2400, SB has T3650, I have T3150 in the BB.

I'm dealt 4c2c. UTG folds, button makes it 500, SB folds, I push....

Button is on the LAG side, but a fairly reasonable player.

BTW, this is my standard play given these conditions. This type of spot, I estimate, comes up once in every 20-30 or so SNGs, but I could be way off.

-Jason

Unarmed 11-13-2004 08:40 AM

Re: 24s
 
Does it matter what you have? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
BTW thanks for sharing this little trick, I never even considered it until reading one of your previous posts (89o was it?)

Unarmed 11-13-2004 11:03 AM

Re: 24s
 
I think I may have overdone it here...was this stupid? Villain hasn't done anything idiotic yet.

$5 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed)

UTG (t4425)
Button (t920)
SB (t2875)
Hero (t5280)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">SB raises to t400</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t5280</font>, SB calls t2475 (All-In).

Flop: (t8155) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t8155) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t8155) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t8155

betgo 11-13-2004 12:34 PM

Re: 24s
 
I don't care for this play, and I am not too fond of this move in general. If I have a big hand, I will probably open for a standard raise. Then of course I will call the push.

You want to make this play against a LAG big stack, and you really want something better than J6o or 42s, although a suited gapper is a good choice.

mackthefork 11-13-2004 12:50 PM

Re: 24s
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't care for this play, and I am not too fond of this move in general. If I have a big hand, I will probably open for a standard raise. Then of course I will call the push.

You want to make this play against a LAG big stack, and you really want something better than J6o or 42s, although a suited gapper is a good choice.

[/ QUOTE ]

No i disagree with you, there are good lags and bad lags, against certain players I can get away with this in 10+1s without a problem. The only cards that matter are the ones in the lags hand, if he doesn't have a monster he will fold if he is reasonable.

Regards Mack

betgo 11-13-2004 01:03 PM

Re: 24s
 
Don't try this against me. I will make a pot odds call unless my raise was really marginal.

mackthefork 11-13-2004 01:33 PM

Re: 24s
 
[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You just try calling me with AQ man.

Grrrrrr!

Regards Mack

Jason Strasser 11-13-2004 02:19 PM

Re: 24s
 
A9s is a big hand 4 handed. Do you call there?

In general, good players will open push, therefore limiting my ability to do this.

-Jason

betgo 11-13-2004 02:25 PM

Re: 24s
 
[ QUOTE ]

You just try calling me with AQ man.

Grrrrrr!

Regards Mack

[/ QUOTE ]

Aside from a smaller ace, I can't think of a single reasonable raising hand that wouldn't be getting pot odds to call against AQ.

Granted there is a certain amount of a game of chicken here. The original raiser may not want to risk busting out of a pretty certain cash finish.

I would be much more hesitant about trying this kind of reraise allin with a weak hand in a tournament, single table satellite, or shoot out. In a tournamment, I am looking for a chance to double up, because I will need a lot of chips to win.

eastbay 11-13-2004 02:38 PM

Re: 24s
 
Strassa's play is SUICIDE in a $5+1. This sort of play starts to make sense around $55 and probably doesn't become particularly profitable until $215.

IMO.

eastbay


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