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BeeKay 09-01-2004 12:45 AM

10 25 nl
 
My stack is 2000, oppenent has me covered.
I am dealt AsKd and its folded to me on Button. I make it the pot 85 to go, Small blind calls.
Flop 5d 9h Ks, he checks i bet the pot 195, he calls.
Turn 7c he checks i bet 350, he min raises to 700. I call. RIver Jd He Puts me all in for 1058 I call.
Results to come. Comments on all streets esp Turn and River. What does it look like he has?

daryn 09-01-2004 12:47 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
you lose.

it looks like he has a hand like 99 for the flopped set.

BeeKay 09-01-2004 01:30 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
He showed 86h for the turned gutshot and draged the 4k pot.

daryn 09-01-2004 01:32 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
anyway i think his turn bet was really a sign of strength and i probably would have folded fearing a set. then again i don't play 10/25 nl


by the way... it's close, but if he knew you were the type of guy who gets so tied to his hand he can't let it go, then his flop call is almost correct!

Jason Strasser 09-01-2004 01:48 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
Let me give this a shot.

Preflop looks fine. Flop looks good, except I'd be a little scared about a smooth call.

The turn is where you develop issues. I think you should bet this turn, although against a very aggressive player who will take this as weakness, I often like to check/call the turn and then figure out the river. In this spot, I think you must bet.

When he min raises, I am finished with this hand. Unless I had absolutely no respect for my opponent, I am done. I have TPTK, and while I hate hearing that you can't ever get involved with a hand like this in a big pot (different situations call for different measures), this is not a great spot for TPTK.

The line your opponent took is of the ultimate trickiness. Do you expect him to do this with a hand you are ahead of? I'd put him on at least a 2-pair. You have to wonder that if you call the min raise, are you drawing live?

And while you have decent odds to call the $350, also realize that it takes you one big step closer to being pot committed. This is where you decide if you want to back up your hand with you stack, where you define your hand. Don't expect a cheap river.

I really think this fold on the turn is extremely routine, especially against any type of solid player.

-Jason

TonyG86 09-01-2004 06:25 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
You have to lay this hand down on the turn and definately the river, him checkraising you the minimum on the turn definately should be making bells ring in ur head that ur beat. After you dont improve at all on the river you have to lay this down.

greywolf 09-01-2004 08:16 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
I think the opponents play are more interesting to discuss-

turnipmonster 09-01-2004 09:54 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
good analysis, jason. I think that anytime a competent player is giving you odds, you have to ask why exactly they are giving you odds.

--turnipmonster

ZeeJustin 09-01-2004 10:12 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
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And while you have decent odds to call the $350, also realize that it takes you one big step closer to being pot committed.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hear this a lot, and I might be flat wrong here, but how is this a reason to fold? If you are pot committed on the river, that means you now have a play more profitable than folding, correct?

johnd192 09-01-2004 11:24 AM

Re: 10 25 nl
 
Set of 9s.


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