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nef 07-31-2004 01:39 PM

Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
$3/$6, $0.50 ante, $1 bring-in, 6 handed.

I am dealt (6s Kc) Ks.
The bring-in is on my left with the 2s. Js folds, Qh folds, Qc folds, Td folds, I raise the bring-in. He calls.

4th
(6s Kc) Ks 6c BET
XX 2s 5c CALL

5th
(6s Kc) Ks 6c 9h BET
XX 2s 5c 7d RAISE

Call or reraise. I thought he might have only 7's up or 5's up to raise here, because I looked like a steal on 3rd. Also at this point I had a loose and very aggressive image because of how some hands have played. I reraised. Comments?

He caught a ten on sixth, I caught a 2. Making his hand slightly more dead. I bet and he called. On the river I caught an Ace so I still have kings up. I bet and he raised... Call or Fold? Is this a laydown I can make? I doubt he's bluffing.

Andy B 07-31-2004 01:53 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
I re-raise fifth street against most opponents. Some are so timid that they just have to have a set to raise you, but that's the exception rather than the rule. Keep firing, and unless you know your opponent very well, you can't lay down Kings-up for one more bet on the river in a pot this size.

Al Mirpuri 07-31-2004 01:54 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
You cannot lay it down for one bet against one opponent. Period.

AdamK 07-31-2004 02:11 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
It's hard to know what to make of his 5th street raise.
Don't think a decent player would be raising here with 2 small pair - against an unknown player I'd just call. However, if I've seen this guy making these sort of loose raises, why not pop him. If he caps, then I'd have to think I was beat and go into check-call mode.

I'd check-call on 7th.
But, once you've bet I think the pot is too big to let go. You must call.

Just my opinion - I'm still new to the game too..
Would be interesting to hear how some of the experts would play this one.

Andy B 07-31-2004 02:41 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
I'm no expert, but seventh street is a clear value bet. A worse two pair will call you here every time. Failure to bet in spots like these costs typical stud players a lot of money.

Andy B 07-31-2004 03:04 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
I'm with you, but what if your opponent knows that you won't lay down and raises anyway? He can't be bluffing, so you must be beaten. You can't make too many lay-downs like this, though, because you're just asking to get run over. I'd have to be very sure of my customer to lay it down, and you probably can't be sure enough against most $3/6 on-line players.

Al Mirpuri 07-31-2004 03:56 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm with you, but what if your opponent knows that you won't lay down and raises anyway? He can't be bluffing, so you must be beaten. You can't make too many lay-downs like this, though, because you're just asking to get run over. I'd have to be very sure of my customer to lay it down, and you probably can't be sure enough against most $3/6 on-line players.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about showing the rest of the table that you cannot be run over? Surely, not everyone can Know your play at the table. This idea is an application of something Caro wrote about 7stud.

Andy B 07-31-2004 06:12 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
When I do play stud, it is often against very, very familiar opponents. Some of them are actually thinking players. My default play is to call this river raise, but there are times, rare times mind you, that I am a lot more than 95% sure I am beaten.

patrick dicaprio 07-31-2004 06:33 PM

Re: Reraise 5th with Kings-up?
 
i would call here. your opponent most likely has two pair and you have odds to call. but i think you give your opponent too much credit on his thoughts, most likely he doesnt have any.

Pat


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