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TStoneMBD 10-25-2005 01:25 AM

i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
villain is 24/11/1.6.

for those recommending a preflop raise i normally do that, but i think its vital to mix it up and limp in with aces especially weak ones sometimes.

if the river was a J, Q or 8 i was checkfolding.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (4 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (2 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks with the intention of folding, BB checks.

River: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5 BB

d10 10-25-2005 01:33 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
Im not sure what the point of the CR is if you're not going to follow through on the turn.

baronzeus 10-25-2005 01:34 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
just bet the flop IMO, he will fold here a lot.

also you can raise preflop against this guy. he'll either just fold straight up for c/f a missed flop.

ArturiusX 10-25-2005 01:34 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
Why not raise preflop? Good equity edge, good showdown value.

Victor 10-25-2005 01:36 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
just bet the flop.

TStoneMBD 10-25-2005 01:36 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
i dont want to discuss preflop here. again i think its necessary to sometimes limp in with weak aces. thats just part of my philosophy of sb defense.

Surfbullet 10-25-2005 01:44 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
I like the flop c/r, because he will bet here with any 2 when you check again.

Once he calls it, though, he's hit the board somehow (pair or draw or whatever) and the c/f intent on the turn is good, betting here is spewing. You'll snap off enough bluffs on river blanks that a call is good there too.

I generally like the way it was played. However, I don't like how it all started - preflop - against this particular player... IMO we shouldn't be open-completing anything vs a TAG. I can understand this is an integral part of a specific SB strategy against a 50/30 or something, but this guy's a TAG. Most times he folds pf or on the flop, when he doesn't we get to play some poker.

Also...I don't think open-limping a weak ace is a particularly good idea vs other players, unless it is with the intention of LRRing it...many of the LAGs will autoraise any sb complete, whereby LRRing A5o becomes a nice play.

Surf

helpmeout 10-25-2005 01:47 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
Not raising preflop is fine but going for a checkraise and then calling a river bet is pretty bad. This board is pretty scary so betting out is more effective.

I really dont see what he is calling the checkraise with that doesnt have you beat on the river.

TStoneMBD 10-25-2005 01:51 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
not that its right, but after he takes the free card i think hell have just a gutshot a decent amount of time no?

helpmeout 10-25-2005 01:55 AM

Re: i dont know what im doing, do you?
 
He limps with the weak Ace so people think that he doesnt have an ace.

A TAG will automatically know that a limp doesnt mean an Ace, it usually means hey I've got a weak hand that I wanna test you with to see if I can get away with limping.


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