KK flop play
 

2nd hand so both villians here are unkowns.

Should I jam this flop since I can't easily protect my hand on the turn? Since CO is an unkown his cold call on the flop has me a bit worried if a 3rd club hits, although I have Kc.

I guess I was a bit of a weaky on this one.

Paradise Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Re: KK flop play
 

I would 3-bet the flop, planning to lead the turn.

The rest of the hand looks all right to me.

CO's cold-call does have me worried that he'll pull ahead if another club falls. There's also some chance he has 77/55 and doesn't want to give his hand away yet.

Or maybe he just has a jack. That's my guess when he pays off on the river. (But maybe it was J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or something. I suppose a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is also possible.)

Anyway, I don't know how Paradise 15/30 plays, so I should probably mention that as a disclaimer.

Re: KK flop play
 

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Should I jam this flop because I am lightyears ahead of these retards and want to make a lot of money?

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yes

Re: KK flop play
 

I like flop 3 bet. What do you do when turn is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], if you are raised/bet on turn what do you do?

Re: KK flop play
 

Threebet the flop if you're going to lead the turn anyways.

By default I'd threebet this flop everytime and only slow down if I get raised again.

Re: KK flop play
 

Donking the turn and not three-betting the flop is pretty logically inconsistent. The turn is not really going to change your equity that much (notice, for example, that a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turn gives you a second nut redraw and you are vulnerable to no more than 4 overcards). Hence, if you are betting the turn because you have an equity edge, you almost certainly have that same equity edge on the flop. So three-bet the flop.

Re: KK flop play
 

3 bet that flop my man. you cant protect on turn and probably dont want to c/r it. also, if you were wiating for a non- [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] thats silly because you have the K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Re: KK flop play
 

3 bet that flop..

Re: KK flop play
 

Flop raise by villian screams hand protection, easy three bet