10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Don't know how to use the hand converter yet, but here goes...
I'm in Big Blind with Q10o, 1 early limper. Then it gets folded to the CutOff who raises. We both call.

Flop comes: 10 7 3 rainbow.

I bet, early player folds, CO raises me. I call.

Turn: Q.

I check (with the intention of Check-raising), CO checks behind.

River: 4.

I bet and CO raises. I re-raise/3-bet, CO caps. I call, and he flips over QQ.

Did I mis-play? Should I have 3 bet him or just flat called on the river?
Should I have folded to the cap?

I put him on an Over-pair on the flop...If he had a set of 10s, he probably would have
waited until the Turn to raise me. When he checked behind on the Turn, it seemed to me
to scream AK (maybe JJ or 99) or something...Thanks,

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Sure, just fold your offsuit trash preflop.

And on a side note, is the the worst turn check in the history of the world by the villian? Seriously.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

You can fold preflop.

Since you didn't do that, you should checkraise the flop and plan on leading most turn cards

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Fold out of the Big Blind? Is this good advice?

What's the min. range of hands you'd call with out of the Big Blind in this situation? (
1 early limper, and a Late Pos. raiser, and you are in the Big Blind?).

Call with hands like 66, 77, J9s, 45s, JQo, J10o? Or fold them all?

What hands would you re-raise/3 bet with? AA, KK, QQ, And AKs or AKo only?
OR Would it to go down any further to include more hands?

I know it depends on the person raising, but in general against normal opponents...

Ps. My main question was really: "Should I be good enough to have folded this on the river?"
I Bet, got raised, I 3-bet, then villian capped...His Turn check screamed QQ...
"Should I have flat called his intial raise after my bet?" (or would that be missing out
on value in
most cases as there's not much that beats me here...)

Thanks for the replies,

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

EDIT: originally I stated that his Turn check behind "screamed" AK (maybe JJ or 99 or something), but it could also
have meant he had QQ, which was verified by the fact he raised me on the river...
(but at the time this all happened so fast and it failed to register in my mind...from one street to the next).

I agree his check sucked...I would have raised and he could have 3 -bet and I sure as heck wouldn't fold in that situation...

But would an expert player make the fold on the river there (either after the
raise or after the cap by the villian)?

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

I don't blame yah for capping the river. His check on the turn was ridiculous, I would have been fooled myself

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Couple of thoughts/questions/comments:

You didn't mention what type of player he was, so the range of hands you could have put him on was infinite...he could be stealing, etc. Would you ever 3-bet to isolate? That way a call/cap gives you a better idea (potentially) of what you're up against.

Flop:
You have top pair with 3rd kicker. C/R. Once again, a 3-bet by the villian gives you a better idea as to whether your behind or ahead.

Turn:
I have nothing new to add here.

River:
I don't understand why the villian didn't re-raise/5-bet...he has the absolute nuts and once its HU it's unlimited raises...he can't have you on 56...not sure if there's a backfood flush.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

My food for thought on BB play, to call a raise from the BB with randoms (Q-10o is random IMO) i like to get the 7-1 odds by having a minimum of 3 other players, otherwise I generally fold out of the BB. his checking the turn either means monster or air if he has the nuts his checking the turn hoping you catch something is going to make him many more bets than he would otherwise especially HU.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

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Fold out of the Big Blind? Is this good advice?



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Yes. Just because you're getting better odds, it doesn't make the hand crawl out of the trash.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Your bet on the flop is fine IMO.it puts pressure on the MP and protects your hand.CO raise means nothing still.I raise here with AK/AQ often against typical oponents.The key to this hand is the check on the turn.Now if he has an overpair as his flop raise suggest no way he`s checking here.He must bet to protect.If his turn check means AK then what do u get by 3-betting the river?He is either on a total bluff -raise(and folds to a 3-bet) or he is trapping with a monster.Ask yourself what kind of hand can he have to :raise the flop,but check the turn and raise you on the nothing river.BTW set of 4s on the river is totally in line with the whole play.
Math: u gain 1 bet some of the time but lose 2 most of the time.
Keep playing smart not HARD.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Fold pre-flop, though you could safely call here with a strong read on Villain (which it doesn't sound like you had).

Flop is good. Turn is good. River is even good I think.

I would have put this guy on 44 long before I put him on QQ. What a bad turn play on his part.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

I'd virtually never fold QT in the bb from a CO raise.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

I would have folded preflop. Moving on:

'I put him on an Over-pair on the flop' me too, somewhat.

'If he had a set of 10s, he probably would have
waited until the Turn to raise me.' prob.

'When he checked behind on the Turn, it seemed to me
to scream AK' yep.

but where was your final thought! When he raised the river that screams 'never AK'. So that leaves QQ.

Call.

Re: 10/20 Limit HE, 10 seat Hand - could you have gotten away from it?
 

Would it be wrong to just call the raise on the river instead of 3betting it? Almost everyone who raises on the river has a hand which he think is at least 98% sure to win the showdown. I hate having to fold two-pair on the river. I want to at least see what he has so next time I can figure out what he's doing. If you make it 3bet and he caps I don't see any hand you can beat here unless he has a QT too.