What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

I have no idea how to proceed, I'm new to the table.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($148.19)
MP ($93.50)
CO ($77.70)
Button ($49.10)
SB ($85.15)
Hero ($102.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG calls $6, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $20</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

I generally pop it up to like $65 here with the intention of calling an all-in, but I think that I play these types of big draws too aggressively and it's one of my leaks.

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

push

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

I'm probably folding here.

In my younger days I would get crazy agressive with these pair+flush draws and run into 2 pair and sets alot.

Also, UTG looks to be drawing and could easily have two of your spades.

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

Playing huge draws aggressively is hardly a leak.

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

Poooooooooooooooooosh.

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

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Playing huge draws aggressively is hardly a leak.

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top pair and non-nut flush draw?

I don't think this is a huge draw IMO.

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

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push

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This is what I've been doing lately but I"m starting to question the wisdom of this. We have no fold equity against two pair or a set and we are behind both. It's a different situations with combination straight/flush draws. But top pair weak kicker+flush draw isn't all its cracked up to be. Just my opinion. About the best thing we can hope for EV wise is that he folds TPTK.

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8s 4s 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 9s 471 47.58 507 51.21 12 1.21 0.482
Ah 9h 507 51.21 471 47.58 12 1.21 0.518

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8s 4s 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 9s 459 46.36 526 53.13 5 0.51 0.466
9h 8h 526 53.13 459 46.36 5 0.51 0.534

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8s 4s 9d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Js 9s 316 31.92 674 68.08 0 0.00 0.319
4c 4d 674 68.08 316 31.92 0 0.00 0.681

Re: What I thought was a great flop became a difficult flop decision
 

I think we are overplaying these hands in general. He isnt doing this w/out 2pair or better a vast majority of the time, and we are against those hands (barely). This play would work better at higher limits because it looks so much like a set but I think here at low limits we are just coinflipping our stacks away. That beind said, is it ok to just call and see a turn.

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Playing huge draws aggressively is hardly a leak.

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I think it ceratinly is when you're in a situation where, very often, your 2 pair and trip outs are no good.