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TwistedEcho 12-31-2005 12:34 AM

Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
 
or we can get allin preflop a big fav? If the flop comes rags, you can lose AQ/AJ, same if the flop comes KQx and he has JJ or something. Get allin preflop, and your ahead by a lot usually - ok sure bubbling sucks, but you want a stack to contend on the final table, not JUST itm right?

stevepa 12-31-2005 12:46 AM

Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
 
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Here's the thing - I knew he had it. It was either AA or QQ since I held Kings.

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lol

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Just so OP knows why this quote is funny...given you have KK, there are 6 combos of AA, 6 of QQ and 8 of AK. So your "he has AA or QQ b/c I have KK" is flawed. Your equity against his (absurdly tight) range of AA-QQ, AK is then 57.3% and you have an easy push.

Steve

Note that even if his range is only AA, QQ, you should still push because of the dead money from the limper and blinds.

jcm4ccc 12-31-2005 01:25 AM

Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
 
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What's everyone's opinion on just smoothcalling the raise and pushing all in on any flop that doesn't have an A?

[/ QUOTE ] Very bad, I think. If the flop doesn't have an Ace, then you'll regret that you didn't push preflop, because those people with Aces will fold when you want them to call.

With KK, don't look to minimize your losses. Look to maximize your gain. Push. If anyone calls you with less than AA, then you've made a successful play, regardless of the outcome.

jcm4ccc 12-31-2005 01:27 AM

Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
 
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a lot of players will shrug and call an all-in on a draw with hands like A7 suited but a lot fewer do it post flop after they don't get their A or two spades.

RB

[/ QUOTE ] Which is EXACTLY why this is a bad play.

nath 12-31-2005 03:01 AM

Re: Bubble Play with KK - and alternate play?
 
It's freakin' kings. You wouldn't be making this post if he turned over QQ or JJ and that happens plenty often enough.
Look, if I have to put an opponent on exactly one hand that beats me, and I don't have enough information to do that with sheer certainty, I don't fold. You don't get enough good hands in MTTs to outthink yourself on the big ones.

ZBTHorton 12-31-2005 03:05 AM

Re: Bubble Play with KK
 
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Push

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If the situation were so cut & dried, I wouldn't have posted. If anyone's answer is "push", please give your reasoning.

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It's very cut and dried.

You have 12 big blinds.
Theres a limper.
Theres a raiser.
You have the second best hand in hold'em.

Show me where the uncut and wet part is.

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Rick Diesel 12-31-2005 03:55 AM

Re: Bubble Play with KK
 
Please stop being so results oriented. This is a clear push, and anyone that disagrees and claims that they can read an online player well enough to know that they have aces here is definitely crazy. You got unlucky, and that is part of the game. Move on.

ansky451 12-31-2005 08:09 AM

Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
 
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Here's the thing - I knew he had it. It was either AA or QQ since I held Kings.

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lol

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ansky451 12-31-2005 08:10 AM

Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
 
Do you actually beleive this? You are being results oriented beyond belief right now. Then again, I'm a lil drunk, so I probably would be results oriented too.

12-31-2005 10:03 AM

Re: Results (with a little LC if permissable)
 
Wait. UTG+1 made a standard 2.5xBB raise and you were SURE it was aces? I don't see how you could narrow it down that far based on a standard opening raise unless the UTG+1 player hasn't played a hand in about 10 orbits. Then perhaps you can narrow it down to one of two holdings with a single tidbit of information.

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