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12-28-2005 12:24 AM

Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
i also can't get the convertor to work when i pasted this in [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

basically what i'm wondering is, since it became pretty clear i had the High locked up, is my play right since getting half the pot is at least better than nothing at all? i was also thinking on the river my opponent might not have a low hand at all and i could take the whole pot.

***** Hand History for Game 3272412376 *****
$0.50/$1 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo - Tuesday, December 27, 23:18:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 64876 (Real Money)
Seat 0 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: mickeytigger ( $31.25 )
Seat 2: shawqik ( $16.37 )
Seat 3: cavanian ( $74.50 )
Seat 6: ilikplaypoka ( $9.75 )
Seat 8: ladyj ( $7.12 )
Seat 4: heret1k ( $33.75 )
Seat 5: Dalev59 ( $22.50 )
Seat 7: BIGDADDY_40 ( $10 )
mickeytigger posts ante [$0.25].
shawqik posts ante [$0.25].
cavanian posts ante [$0.25].
heret1k posts ante [$0.25].
Dalev59 posts ante [$0.25].
ilikplaypoka posts ante [$0.25].
BIGDADDY_40 posts ante [$0.25].
ladyj posts ante [$0.25].
** Dealing **
Dealt to heret1k [ Kh Ac Ks ]
BIGDADDY_40 opens.
BIGDADDY_40 bring-ins [$0.25].
ladyj folds.
mickeytigger calls [$0.25].
shawqik calls [$0.25].
cavanian folds.
heret1k calls [$0.25].
Dalev59 folds.
ilikplaypoka folds.
** Dealing Fourth street **
Dealt to heret1k [ Kc ]
heret1k opens.
heret1k bets [$0.50].
BIGDADDY_40 folds.
mickeytigger calls [$0.50].
shawqik calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Fifth street **
Dealt to heret1k [ Qs ]
heret1k opens.
heret1k bets [$1].
mickeytigger calls [$1].
shawqik folds.
** Dealing Sixth street **
Dealt to heret1k [ 2c ]
heret1k opens.
heret1k bets [$1].
mickeytigger calls [$1].
** Dealing River **
Dealt to heret1k [ Ad ]
heret1k opens.
heret1k bets [$1].
mickeytigger folds.
heret1k does not show cards.
heret1k wins $9

Aaron W. 12-28-2005 12:54 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
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i also can't get the convertor to work when i pasted this in [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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You need to get the hand histories emailed to you from Party. The auto-saved histories don't have your opponents' boards.

12-28-2005 01:10 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
oh, ok thanks.. guess i'll stick with this for now.

preiserone 12-28-2005 01:19 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
Since I don't know the upcards of the other guy it could be tough to give an analysis of this one. But you have a monster hand bet it all the way unless you have a real good reason not too.

12-28-2005 01:20 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
oh yeah good point ill do the email thing

12-28-2005 01:23 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.50/$1), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (4.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (6.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

5th Street - (4.50 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (6.50 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

River - (8.50 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___folds
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

Total pot: (8.50 BB)

preiserone 12-28-2005 01:25 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
Thats better. Yea, you played it right. There is absolutely no reason to stop betting here.

Andy B 12-28-2005 01:29 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
I play it the same.

12-28-2005 01:35 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
well i'm off to a good start then!

here's one i scooped on, is this good as well? i was dead in the water without the river card.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($0.50/$1), Ante $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (3.50 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls

4th Street - (18.50 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets (all-in)

5th Street - (11.49 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___all-in

6th Street - (13.49 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___all-in

River - (15.49 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___calls
Hero: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___all-in

Total pot: (17.49 BB)

Andy B 12-28-2005 01:48 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
I think this one is just fine. Generally, you should stick with one hand per thread.

12-28-2005 02:01 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
ok, thanks

12-29-2005 03:57 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
Regarding your first hand, I'm curious what the more experienced posters will think of this: Raise third, charging the low draws, since you are the only one obviously playing for the high half, diamonds are dead, and many low cards are spent already, making the deck heavy in high cards.

Also: Double-bet fourth. If seat seven folds and seat one is smart, he will re-raise. Since he didn't, I think you can expect both seat one and seat two to call, and you make money when two low draws put more money in the pot. You have a terrific hand, but you should still consider getting a straight draw to pay extra to draw out on you if you don't fill up.

If this game doesn't allow a double-bet, then never mind the second query.

Am I suggesting a worse play with either of these suggestions?

Andy B 12-29-2005 04:41 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
There's also a King out on third street....

There is no fourth street rule in stud/8, that is, hero can only make a small bet on fourth.

12-29-2005 05:21 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
Forgive me. I have been schooled proper. I'll stick to my real areas of expertise, if I ever develop them.

Alchemist 12-29-2005 10:25 AM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
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There is no fourth street rule in stud/8, that is, hero can only make a small bet on fourth.

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Not if you're playing on Pacific [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

preiserone 12-29-2005 06:11 PM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
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Raise third, charging the low draws, since you are the only one obviously playing for the high half, diamonds are dead, and many low cards are spent already, making the deck heavy in high cards.

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I'm still pretty new to stud/8 so this could be wrong. I think that the raise on third is only right if you think you can get it heads up by doing so. A big pair does well against one low draw but against more you get them freerolling on you later in the hand and they back into high hands to often for you to charge them when you have a one way hand. It may be a decent value bet though, I'll run some sims later.

Aaron W. 12-29-2005 07:32 PM

Re: Stud/8 hand from a total newbie
 
[ QUOTE ]
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Raise third, charging the low draws, since you are the only one obviously playing for the high half, diamonds are dead, and many low cards are spent already, making the deck heavy in high cards.

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I'm still pretty new to stud/8 so this could be wrong. I think that the raise on third is only right if you think you can get it heads up by doing so. A big pair does well against one low draw but against more you get them freerolling on you later in the hand and they back into high hands to often for you to charge them when you have a one way hand. It may be a decent value bet though, I'll run some sims later.

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In Split Poker for Advanced Players, Ray Zee suggests limping in with big pairs after a couple low cards have entered the pot.

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You don't want to play against a low hand that has half the pot locked up and also has a draw at the high side. This is likely to happen when many low cards stay in.

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My sense of this is that you want to see them brick a little on 4th before committing lots of money to the pot, as your hand isn't really all that great if they have 4 to a low on 4th and all you have is a pair of kings (and those kings are obvious).


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