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12-20-2005 03:53 PM

Bush got caught in a HUGE lie...re: illegal spying
 
Here is what George Bush said in Buffalo, New York on April 20, 2004 at 9:49am:

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Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

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This is a man with no respect for the citizenry of the US. He is on a power-grab that surpasses Nixon in terms of decieving the American People and contempt for the constitution.

jba 12-20-2005 05:14 PM

Re: Bush got caught in a HUGE lie...re: illegal spying
 
yeah that's pretty red handed

can you source that?

12-20-2005 05:32 PM

Re: Bush got caught in a HUGE lie...re: illegal spying
 
This is a pretty good source:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0040420-2.html (halfway down, lets see if they change it or remove it)

This is where I found it:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/20/132439/46

And for the heck of it:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/20/152310/83

elwoodblues 12-20-2005 05:43 PM

Re: Bush got caught in a HUGE lie...re: illegal spying
 
From the publication Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents:
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Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States Government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think PATRIOT Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

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State department press release April 20, 2004:

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Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

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Also, Ashcroft's testimony before the 9/11 commission speaks a little to this point:
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ASHCROFT: Let me comment that in large measure, the Patriot Act extended powers in the fight against terror that were already well- understood powers in the fight against drugs and organized crime, so that we weren`t treading down new constitutional territory. The multi-point wire tap or the roving wire tap had been in existence for 14 years and 15 years. And the ability, for instance, to subpoena business records from grand juries had been in existence for a long time.

Now the FISA provisions that relate to it are different from grand juries. A grand jury, frankly, operates with the U.S. attorney or an assistant U.S. attorney reaching over on a stack of forms and filling it out, and taking it out and serving it. It`s never seen by a judge unless someone resists it or protests it.

Under FISA, you can`t have an order without first seeing the federal judge. Or unless it`s an emergency order, and then it has to be brought before a judge within 72 hours. So there`s a lot of safeguards here. I`d like to talk to you about it. It is important to our national security

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Arnfinn Madsen 12-20-2005 05:53 PM

Re: Bush got caught in a HUGE lie...re: illegal spying
 
Nice, the more credibility he and his men loses, the better the future looks for all of us.

12-21-2005 01:39 AM

Re: ATTN BEER AND PIZZA
 
[ QUOTE ]
Here is what George Bush said in Buffalo, New York on April 20, 2004 at 9:49am:

[ QUOTE ]
Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a man with no respect for the citizenry of the US. He is on a power-grab that surpasses Nixon in terms of decieving the American People and contempt for the constitution.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you still dispute the simple, majestic truth of the statement: "Bush lied." ?

canis582 12-21-2005 09:25 AM

Re: ATTN BEER AND PIZZA
 
I see this thread isnt very popular.

I mean that quote is the smoking gun that shows that he is a pathological LIAR!

12-21-2005 09:26 AM

Re: ATTN BEER AND PIZZA
 
BUMP since I see Beer and Pizza is actually on and replying to other threads.

Beer and Pizza 12-21-2005 09:33 AM

Re: ATTN BEER AND PIZZA
 
Where is the lie?

Trying to match a quote about domestic spying to international spying authorized by the Patriot Act does not create a lie. Bush was making a truthful statement when viewed in context.

Once again you guys are claiming a lie where no lie exists. Big surprise. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

12-21-2005 09:46 AM

Re: ATTN BEER AND PIZZA
 
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Where is the lie?

Trying to match a quote about domestic spying to international spying authorized by the Patriot Act does not create a lie. Bush was making a truthful statement when viewed in context.

Once again you guys are claiming a lie where no lie exists. Big surprise. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is great!

So, Bush says "Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

But now he admits engaging in domestic wiretaps without "a court order", completely outside the FISA context, AT THE TIME HE MADE THIS STATEMENT, and you say it was "truthful" "when viewed in context"????

Please explain, this should be absolutely fabulous. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


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