Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

villian is unknown.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

Please give turn plan and river plan for diamond and non diamond rivers.

Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
 

I really hate b/cing this turn but I do it sometimes.

I think I like c/cing this turn more, then betting a diamond river, c/cing a non diamond (if we get bet both times)

If the turn is checked through I'm typically firing unless I have a read that I'm getting more value out of inducing a bluff (typically when the diamond hits).

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I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8.

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Def check-call turn- I don't see much value at all in a bet. Check-fold river unimproved.

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I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8.

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I'm never bet/folding a diamond river against an unknown, ever. Bet/call.

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I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8.

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Actually, the more common situation is the same board, without a flush possibility.

In that case, I think I still bet the turn. But what happens if villain calls the turn and river doesn't help? Is that a safe c/f?

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I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8.

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Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond.

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I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8.

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Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond.

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Your hand is pretty transparent if you check/call the turn and then bet a 4 flush river, I dont see getting bluff raised (or smaller diamond) really, but I dont play the 30/60, so I could be way off

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I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8.

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Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond.

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Your hand is pretty transparent if you check/call the turn and then bet a 4 flush river, I dont see getting bluff raised (or smaller diamond) really, but I dont play the 30/60, so I could be way off

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well if we check call the turn that implies that he bets the turn. there arent many hands that are gonna have a bigger diamond than us and bet the turn and raise the river.

edit-alobar has informed me that all im really doing here is making a case for betting vs checking. clarkmeisters theorem says bet/call not bet fold dammit!