5/10 deepstacked fullhouse river play.
 

Partypoker nl 5/10 6 max. Villain doesn't stand out, seems to be a regular. I have been playing loose and aggressive. Effective stacks about 4k at the beginning of hand.

I get JJ in the SB. UTG limps in. MP raises. Villain makes it 120 to go on the button. I call with JJ in the SB. Rest fold. Headsup to the flop.

Flop: A22
I check. He checks.
Turn: 2
Check. Check.
River: J
I check (I had been clicking check so fast I didn't realize I hit it). He bets pot. What is your move? Let's say you raise pot, and you get reraised pot. What is your move?

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is a min raise lame here?

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is that part about what to do if he reraises a joke?

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make it 1000-1200 and fold to a 3 bet.

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I'm not so sure I'd fold to a reraise. A lot of people will play an A like the nuts here.

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leading the river makes this so easy

also, in your action chain, you put him on AA if you get reraised pot right, why would he have a loan A? am i being nitty?

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i think too many people take the lone ace to the felt to fold to a reraise

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i think if you get to the felt here after a big CR, you are in big trouble.

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I'm not so sure I'd fold to a reraise. A lot of people will play an A like the nuts here.

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That's why you make the check-raise nice and meaty. You put that seed of doubt in his mind that his naked ace may actually be no good. That pretty much ensures that if you get popped back, you're beat.

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exactly. unless the guy is a yahoo, he is not 3betting anything less than aces full.

but since you said he's a 5/10 regular who doesnt stand out, i fold to a 3 bet even faster. alot of those guys are big nits. and he's not going to go nuts for 400bb's after checking two streets after raising pf without AA.

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Is a push with AA here even correct? You are trying to get paid off by JJ exactly.

In the heat of the battle I'd push with AA everytime.. but doing off the table analysis the EV on a push can never be that positive and might even be -EV against a strong player.

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Is a push with AA here even correct? You are trying to get paid off by JJ exactly.

In the heat of the battle I'd push with AA everytime.. but doing off the table analysis the EV on a push can never be that positive and might even be -EV against a strong player.

[/ QUOTE ]or the loan ace....

anyways correct play here I think is lead out, call a raise. hands like 99 will pay off if you lead and hands like Ax might raise you.

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i think if you get to the felt here after a big CR, you are in big trouble.

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I think I'll add, this is a pretty easy fold preflop....

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what you never call a raise preflop with a pocket pair OOP?

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Thanks for all the replies. I called his river pot sized bet. My reasoning was that if he had a hand like KK or QQ, he wasn't going to call a raise. From the betting sequence, I thought a lone ace for my opponent is unlikely, and it is more likely he had AA (say more than 50%) or a pure bluff, and I would lose more money in those cases. It turns out he had AJ, and I felt I had lost a lot of value.

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I think I'll add, this is a pretty easy fold preflop....

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no, its not.

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I think I'll add, this is a pretty easy fold preflop....

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no, its not.

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6-max. I might fold 'em in a full ring, but prolly not here.

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They also each have 400 BB's.

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I think I'll add, this is a pretty easy fold preflop....

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With 400BB stacks?

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They also each have 400 BB's.

[/ QUOTE ]whoops...but with 100 bb stacks, you guys all advocating calling 12 bb's preflop wtih JJ oop? I assume you guys all advocate calling with 22 then also?

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I would have called with 22 to get the 5 of a kind ultra nuts.

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They also each have 400 BB's.

[/ QUOTE ]whoops...but with 100 bb stacks, you guys all advocating calling 12 bb's preflop wtih JJ oop?

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What do you recommend as an alternative?

Remember, this is 6-max.

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Thanks for all the replies. I called his river pot sized bet. My reasoning was that if he had a hand like KK or QQ, he wasn't going to call a raise. From the betting sequence, I thought a lone ace for my opponent is unlikely, and it is more likely he had AA (say more than 50%) or a pure bluff, and I would lose more money in those cases. It turns out he had AJ, and I felt I had lost a lot of value.

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From his preflop actions, why wouldn't a lone ace be a possibility? AK, AQ, AJ could've all played it this way. I'm not saying its the right play, but I've seen it done often in 5/10 NL, especially 6 handed. I initially figured him for Ace face, or a monster like AA. Call me an ignorant optomist, but I tend to naturally assume the former before the latter. Perhaps that is a leak.

I would've definitely snuck in at least one raise, probably on the turn. If he comes over the top, thats a tough decision. Realistically though, I'd probably ride or die with this hand. Perhaps another leak. Definitely a chance you might be crushed by AA, but the majority of the time though, I think your hand is the best. I just don't see myself folding when only one hand in his range beats me, even if it is a legitimate concern. Full ring game, I'd probably muck either preflop or to a push. Probably. But as I'm sure you can tell, I'm leaky as a faulty diaper.