I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

Live 9/18, where else.

Aggro UTG raises, semi-decent/not-out-of-line UTG+1 cold-calls, 3 more people cold-call, a hilariously bad fish calls in the SB, and I just call from the BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

7 to the flop for 14 small bets.

Flop comes Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

SB checks, I check, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, 3 cold-callers fold, SB calls, I call, UTG folds.

3 to the turn for 8.5 BBs.

Turn is the glorious T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, I check, UTG+1 bets, SB calls, I raise, UTG+1 calls, SB curses and folds.

River is the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

I bet, UTG+1 raises, I fold.


EDIT: I just fixed the PF action (and thread title) because I had it mixed up with another AKo from the BB hand I played a few hands later.

Re: I shouldn\'t have raised AKo preflop!
 

Personally I don't think it's good advertising with your bet/fold in a very large pot, so even if you really are beat 20 times out of 21 against this guy (not impossible at all), I would have called.

And even if there's perhaps little value in it, you get to at least see if it was AKs he cold-called with preflop or the more probable QQ/JJ.

Re: I shouldn\'t have raised AKo preflop!
 

Saw now that you edited the hand, the pot is smaller now =)

Re: I shouldn\'t have raised AKo preflop!
 

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Saw now that you edited the hand, the pot is smaller now =)

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Yeah, sorry I played two nearly identical hands with AKo from the BB. One of them I raised, one of them I just called. Luckily, the one I 3-bet (and it got capped by a limp-reraiser) I ended up winning with Aces Up.

In fact, there was a third hand I got AKo from the BB, and I just raised some limpers, and lost to 87o when I whiffed the flop and turn.

Re: I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

I reraise preflop and I see a showdown.

Re: I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

Getting 16:1 I call this river. I think the rest of the hand was played fine

Re: I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

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Yeah okay whatever.

I challenge anyone to come up with a real, reasonable argument involving at least some math as to why just calling here before the flop can even be close to "fine."

Re: I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

Given that you didn't 3bet preflop, I fold to the flop bet. There is a reasonable chance you are already drawing dead on the flop, and if not, you only have 3 outs you can be at all confident in, AND even if you hit one, half the deck may kill you on the river.

In summary; that flop is a nightmare for you, just fold.

Re: I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

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Yeah okay whatever.

I challenge anyone to come up with a real, reasonable argument involving at least some math as to why just calling here before the flop can even be close to "fine."

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Id call because:

1. you probably dont have the best hand, someone has a pair. Your going to the flop a dog and have a 35% chance of catching an ace or king.

2. AKo does well against against few opponents and poorly in a big multiway pot.

3. because of point 2, the purpose of a raise would be to eliminate players not for value. at this point, no one is going to fold for one more bet. This game looks loose.

Theres a section on loose low limit games in
Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players
by David Sklansky (Author), Mason Malmuth (Author)

It talks about not raising in AKo but raising with JTs

pretty interesting

Re: I fail to raise AKo from the BB
 

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Your going to the flop a dog and have a 35% chance of catching an ace or king.

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And you're getting like 6 or 7 to one on your money. Last time I checked getting 6-1 on a 2-1 (of course you won't be ahead every time you flop a pair but most of the time you will be) bet is good stuff.

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2. AKo does well against against few opponents and poorly in a big multiway pot.

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AK doesn't do so poorly in big multiway pots, especially when the players are really poor. Of the times you don't flop a pair, you will flop at least a nice draw the vast majority of the time.

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Theres a section on loose low limit games in
Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players
by David Sklansky (Author), Mason Malmuth (Author)

It talks about not raising in AKo but raising with JTs

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Have you read SSHE? If not you definitely should--you might reconsider your answer to this question after reading it.