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12-23-2005 01:03 AM

Should I have hit the raise button?
 
first hand at the table

I thought about raising prelop, flop, and the turn. I don't know if I like villian getting chances to draw out on my small pp.

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(5 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.00 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.00 BB.

Vote4Pedro 12-23-2005 01:05 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
I usually 3bet PF...

I like the way the rest of the hand was played

moose47 12-23-2005 01:19 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
I like the way you played it.

johnc 12-23-2005 01:30 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
Raise or fold the flop. Calling does really nothing but prove your ability to "just call" (weak in this case,and bad for your table image) and doesn't force him to define his hand at all. Push your sixes hard until he pushes back, otherwise fold and see the next hand.

DCWildcat 12-23-2005 02:39 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
Unless you're planning on raising most flops, you really must 3-bet this preflop. It changes the texture of the whole hand.

JohnC, you're gettin a little deeper than necessary there. This is 1/2...no one gives a rat's ass about table image at this limit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

12-23-2005 03:18 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
this seems pretty bad to me. you have to either 3bet it preflop or show aggression on the flop by raising. outside of a higher PP you are ahead of just about any hand he could have here, but you are incredibly vulnerable to any overcard above 9 so you have to push back to give yourself the best chance of winning the pot.

i dont understand why people are saying this is good, it would be good if it was WA/WB, but you are almost NEVER well ahead here to justify calling along.

Aaron W. 12-23-2005 03:26 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
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first hand at the table

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This is a good reason to 3-bet preflop instead of calling with the intent of auto-raising the flop. I like to come out swinging and look like a nutty hyper-LAG early in a session (if the cards permit). Players (at least those who pay attention) make quick judgments of your style and tend not to change that read.

12-23-2005 03:26 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
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i dont understand why people are saying this is good, it would be good if it was WA/WB, but you are almost NEVER well ahead here to justify calling along.

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i'm almost positive 66 has an equity edge over any to overcards.

Aaron W. 12-23-2005 03:31 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
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i dont understand why people are saying this is good, it would be good if it was WA/WB, but you are almost NEVER well ahead here to justify calling along.

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i'm almost positive 66 has an equity edge over any to overcards.

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Having an equity edge and being "Way ahead" are different. The arbitrary cutoff for "way ahead" is villain having 5 outs or less (very often, it's really only 2-3 outs - or 5 outs but you have hidden outs if he draws to two pair).

12-23-2005 03:44 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
oh, it has a huge equity edge. i never suggested you should fold

milesdyson 12-23-2005 04:00 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
hay dude raise the flop and go from there.

if blanks fall on turn/river, i value bet both.

shant 12-23-2005 04:12 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
3-blah preflop.

bottomset 12-23-2005 06:32 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
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I usually 3bet PF...

I like the way the rest of the hand was played

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you need to raise the flop here if you don't 3bet preflop

I don't think its as big of slamdunk 3bet as some are making it out to be, first off 1/2 is very passive, and the average player prob ASB less than 15%(with many sub-10%) so you are often looking at premium hands here(66 doesn't fair that well against top15%), I see a ton of openlimp SB at this level.

beaster 12-23-2005 09:56 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
I'd 3-bet the SB and then bet/raise on the flop. You want control of this hand.

If villain calls your flop bet/raise and checks to you on the turn, bet. If he comes out betting I'd pop him again with a raise and then take the free showdown. Fold if 3-bet on the flop or turn.

12-23-2005 11:26 AM

Re: Should I have hit the raise button?
 
not raising gives him the chance to draw out on you and doesnt force him to define his hand at all. on the flop you got to be pretty sure your ahead so why would you raise?

can people explain to me why they thing this is good.


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