Overcard Situation
 

No reads on anyone because I had just sat down.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?

Re: Overcard Situation
 

personally i'd raise. you have overcards + nut flush BDFD.

Re: Overcard Situation
 

I would raise and try to knock out some players.

Re: Overcard Situation
 

IMHO This is one of the best boards (that misses your big cards) you can see with a hand like this. The only real draw it offers is the flush draw and you have a redraw to the nut flush. I'd raise to clean up my overcard outs.

Re: Overcard Situation
 

OK, I changed the turn card (to keep things interesting). Now what?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ?

Re: Overcard Situation
 

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IMHO This is one of the best boards (that misses your big cards) you can see with a hand like this. The only real draw it offers is the flush draw and you have a redraw to the nut flush. I'd raise to clean up my overcard outs.

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What overcard outs am I attempting to clean up here? Someone who already has a pair in addition to an A or Q? Not picking on you, just trying to think critically about overcard situations.

EDIT: To elaborate, don't I want hands like KQ and AT to call?

Re: Overcard Situation
 

Fold. You somehow managed to miss every single out, which to remind everyone is any ace, king, queen, ten, or heart. You missed all of them. Impressive. You've got 3 outs at best here (I wouldn't be surprised since he completed if he's already made two pair and you're drawing dead)

Re: Overcard Situation
 

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IMHO This is one of the best boards (that misses your big cards) you can see with a hand like this. The only real draw it offers is the flush draw and you have a redraw to the nut flush. I'd raise to clean up my overcard outs.

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What overcard outs am I attempting to clean up here? Someone who already has a pair in addition to an A or Q? Not picking on you, just trying to think critically about overcard situations.

EDIT: To elaborate, don't I want hands like KQ and AT to call?

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facing them with 2 bets cold could get them to drop A2 or Q2, posibly A7 or Q7 depending on their tightness.
To answer your edit. Yes in this situation I do want to fold KQ and AT. Both of them have redraws if you do hit one of your overcards on the turn.

Wow a complete whif on the turn. Now you only have about 3 outs fold that turn.