What\'s the move?
 

What's the play here? There's 32 left, I'm in 6th, Villain is in 4th.

No real read on Villain here. Have been at the table with him for over an hour, and he seems fairly solid. He certainly isn't doing this with any 2.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200, Ante is t75 (9 handed) converter

UTG (t12090)
UTG+1 (t24754)
MP1 (t5016)
MP2 (t24754)
MP3 (t50836)
Villain (t31107)
Button (t25202)
Hero (t26914)
BB (t19194)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises t4800</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

Re: What\'s the move?
 

I'd probably push here. His calling range on you is only QQ+ and AK. with that strong bet, it looks like an AK at best, probably not AA or KK, unless he is betting stronger to look weak.***

Has the table been very loose or very tight? If the table has been very tight i definately do not see AA/KK here, and probably not QQ. At a loose table, you might see this though.

Anyway, I push and expect to see AK *if* called.

I think this is a great time to double up and be in a position to win.

*** is he a tricky player like this?

Re: What\'s the move?
 

Obviously a fold is out of the question, but I'm wondering if there isn't another option besides pushing. While it is a great position to double up, payouts at this stage are pennies, and I feel I can run over the table anyway.

Is a stop and go on the flop an option?
Is reraising him 2-2.5x an option?

Table has been fairly loose, but nothing crazy. With these big stacks, no pot has gone uncontested preflop, and the question has simply been who can steal it first.

Also, this is the first time I recall seeing a 4xbb raise.

Re: What\'s the move?
 

I dont think you can raise a signifcant amount without pot comitting yourself.

You could always call the bet, i suppose, but then you need to hope for a safe flop and have the skill to play OOP

Re: What\'s the move?
 

What is your table image??

Stop and go is tricky.. because no matter what hits the board, he's probably going to throw another 4800 (or so) out at the pot.. Then what do you do? He could just easy be protecting Q-Q as he would bluffing with A-K, or finding out how good his 7-7 is.

If YOU push all in, he's only going to call you with AA, KK, or QQ (imo!).. He has the odds to call with A-K, but he's gotta know he's nothing more than a coinflip at best, not a good tournament play.


I like a re-raise to 10K-12K.. He'll fold low/middle pairs, He'll come over the top with QQ,KK,AA. He only calls with A-K IMO., if rags hit, the pot is yours.. If he comes over the top, you can chuck it know you did the right thing and saved yourself from being eliminated!! The blinds are a couple levels away from desperation level IMO. If the blinds are another level or two higher, I might go with All-In..

Note: This is all depending on the opponent being a tight-solid player, and yourself being tight-solid.

Re: What\'s the move?
 

I've got a lot of learning to do, but here I fold. I don't have much invested, and a good lead on most players and plenty of time to wait for a better spot, or exert leverage on small stacks. I just don't want to put my tourney life on the line, or a third or more of my stack on a hand that can become pretty weak pretty fast.

Maybe I am way to tight (might explain why I don't make many finals ;-)

P

Re: What\'s the move?
 

Actually, that's probably my #2 option to raising to 10-12K.

#1, Raise to $10-$12k for information, (Fold to a Re-Raise)
#2, Fold
#3, Stop and Go
#4, All-in

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I don't see anything wrong with folding and picking a better spot against a smaller stack.. Jacks is not as strong of a hand as it might appear.. That's a hand that gets alot of people knocked out of a tournament.

No offense
 

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#1, Raise to $10-$12k for information, (Fold to a Re-Raise)
#2, Fold
#3, Stop and Go
#4, All-in



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No offense, but there is some really bad advice here.

No offense, but the villain is a big stack, raising from LP. If the villain isn't doing this with any two, he needs to have his head examined. Most players here would be doing it with any ONE if that one were higher than a ten.

No offense, but raising half your stack and then folding is without a doubt the worst option out there. Are you seriously suggesting the hero take himself to 10BB, and then fold? This is terrible. Think about the issue of long term survival, the chances of going deep, and then do the math! If you raise, he pushes, and shows you AA, you STILL should call. (Okay, maybe not, but just maybe.)

When the betting gets to Hero, there is t7275 in the pot.

Hero raises to ten, the pot is t17275, and the villain only has to call t4400. Unless he was pithed midway through the hand, he has to call. You then have to wonder what to do when an A, K or Q flops, and it's your move. This is a horrible position.

Push, and it's not close.

Sam

Re: No offense
 

You're probably right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Re: What\'s the move?
 

You are right he may not be doing this with *any* 2, but come on you have the tightest player's range here crushed. Could you imagine a range tighter than this for a big stack in late position?

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 58.8738 % 58.20% 00.67% { JJ }
Hand 2: 41.1262 % 40.45% 00.67% { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, ATo+, KJo+ }

If you don't push him off this you might as well sit out on your blinds. Sure occasionally he will have AA,KK,QQ, but you will pick up a nice pot very often, not to mention letting the table know not to mess with your blinds.