Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

Online No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Villain is 20/6 and goes to showdown 18% after seeing the flop.

Hero ($1980)
BB ($4520.50)
UTG ($2266)
UTG+1 ($2954.50)
Villain ($2967)
MP2 ($1848)
MP3 ($2067)
CO ($1870)
Button ($1910)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
2 folds, Villain calls $20, 2 folds, CO calls $20, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Villain bets $70</font>, CO folds, Hero raises to $280</font>, BB folds, Villain calls $210.

I would often bet the pot on the flop but tried something else this time.

Turn: ($640) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)Hero bets $500, Villain calls $500.

River: ($1640) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Comments on all streets appreciated.

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

turn is a good fire 2nd barrell card as JT just hit, but it's misleading b/c a lot of time QT or QJ will look you up again if they looked up on flop....Betting 1000 on river is bare minimum of what you should bet....sucks if he somehow has higher flush.

Results
 

I went all-in on the river, he called and showed J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the flush.

I feel I must have misplayed somewhere. Maybe it all comes from the original check-raise.

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

I didn't even read the hand... just the title...

Small flush DRAWS are usually profitable in LIMIT... if your dominated you get off cheap.

In NO-LIMIT... it's a bad play.

In a limp pot you're getting reversed implied odds everytime your dominated by a higher flush draw / top pair with a flush-re-draw.

Read Brunson's suited connector section in SSII... he only likes playing suited connectors in a raised pot from late posistion... in this situation you have neither...

Plus... you have virtually no money invested...

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

"Plus... you have virtually no money invested... "
I hate this statement.

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

I'm just saying... why put yourself in a potentially dominated situation when all you have invested is the blind.

It's totally different if he has a ragged Ace and flops the nut draw.

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

So your saying...if u raise pf with AA, and some1 bets into u, u should fold? because u only have something like 3.5 bb or something similar invested?

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

Of course not... but AA is not usually a dominated hand.

Now... if I limp into an 8 way pot... and there is bet, a raise and re-raise in-front of me on the flop... of course I'm going to fold AA.

If I was trying to set up a trap with AA and everyone ended up limping around... I'll fold, again... I only have the BB invested.

You know what I'm trying to say... quit being trite... if you want to talk hyperbole and compare apples and oranges... go become a Deomocrat.

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

What are you advocating? Fold pre-flop? check/fold the flop?

Re: Small flush draw from BB in unraised pot
 

I'm wondering, what's the general play here if the river doesn't bring the flush? Surely we can't check-fold all the time. Which cards is it reasonable to bluff? A total blank / another Q, another 9?