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Demana 05-06-2005 01:34 PM

Know the bad first?
 

Johnny Richter 05-06-2005 02:34 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
If we're talking "in general", then yes. I've gone through plently of "bad" in my life to get to the "good" that i currently have.

bernie 05-06-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
I think going through the bad helps one appreciate the good more.


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purnell 05-06-2005 04:24 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
If you know only good and are suddenly presented with the bad, it is emotionally devastating.

If you know the bad and are suddenly offerred the good, it is transforming.

I'm sure someone could produce an argument otherwise, but I gotta go with bad first.

Demana 05-07-2005 03:53 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
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I'm sure someone could produce an argument otherwise, but I gotta go with bad first.


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I agree.

Bodhi 05-07-2005 04:07 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
But then how can you know the bad unless you know the good? There's an infinite regress implied by your question.

Scotch78 05-07-2005 04:08 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
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I'm sure someone could produce an argument otherwise, but I gotta go with bad first.

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Giving either, or both, values an independent existence runs into logical difficulties. On the flip side, making good and evil co-dependent runs into social and religious difficulties. Unfortunately, taking the middle ground and making one side (good) dependent on the other, independent side (evil) gives us both weaknesses rather than both strengths.

Scott

Demana 05-18-2005 01:32 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
Well, I finally understand where this question was coming from: I've been using it to rationalize losing. Whether bad beat, suck out, missed draw, or whatever, I keep saying to myself that one day those cards will come through for me and that I just need to weather the storm and "know the bad before the good".

What I have realized though, is that thinking like that does no good whatsoever. It is simply denying the reality of poker and probablility. I may be a 45:1 favorite and still lose a thousand times in a row. The long term is such an infinite amount that streaks are really meaningless.

I have to either accept that being a favorite does not gaurantee me the pot or quit playing poker. Any other view or rationalization will keep me in this quagmire and stop me from becoming a better player.

I am gauranteed nothing.

bernie 05-18-2005 04:26 PM

Re: Know the bad first?
 
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I have to either accept that being a favorite does not gaurantee me the pot or quit playing poker. Any other view or rationalization will keep me in this quagmire and stop me from becoming a better player.

I am gauranteed nothing.

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View yourself like a casino. Sometimes, someone will come in and play craps and bet nothing but boxcars. Sometimes they will hit. Sometimes they'll hit a few times. It doesn't mean the dice are loaded or you're providing an easy game to beat.

All's you can do is play your best 'during' a hand. The end result is really meaningless.

Though it can be aggravating at times. We call those times, times to take a break. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

b


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